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by **Mike Donnel** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

reguard to reality...

>> > It would be great to see Hill get pole, Schumachers car
>> > fall in pieces and go home with F1GP2.

>Yes, you mean: I want to see Hill getting the pole, and Schumy (with the
>Ferrari in pieces) going home with GP2...
>Yes, it could be.

Looks like you got at least one out of three. Now, did you get F1GP2?
That's the important one.

Mike

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by **John Wallac** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

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Hardly - Jacques is already under contract for next year, so if he stays
it tells us nothing. If he is forced to LEAVE however, as is the current
rumour, well....
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by **paul godfre** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> It's lucky for Damon Hill that Frank Williams doesn't know as much about
> F1 as you do isn't it? I mean if Frank knew anything at all he would
> sack Damon, save six million pounds and get a better driver to win the
> World Championship for him.

Lets just wait & see who Frank keeps at the end of the year. That should
be an telling decision!

by **Ricardo Oberpau** » Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Go to r.a.s.f1, please!

> > Let's be fair to Damon, okay? The Williams-Renault may well be the
> > supreme car this season, but that is not why DH is winning the
> > championship. To say that it is would be the same as saying that I
> > could drive the car and win the championship. Unlikely to say the
> > least. I am prepared to concede that MS is the better driver, but that
> > does not imply that DH is talentless. On the contrary, he is a
> > tremendously skilled driver. The truth be known, all of them are to a
> > greater or lesser degree, including Pedro Diniz! DH is winning the
> > championship through a combination of tremendous driving skill _and_
> > superior engineering. If it was just the car, why the 25 point lead
> > over JVi?

> > In conclusion, GO DAMON!!!

> Sorry to make you think that DH has no driving-skills at all. What I was
> trying to say, is that if Jean Alesi, Gerhard Berger, Rubens
> Barrichello or Mikka Hakinnen were driving the Williams, the also would
> be in lead of the Championship.

> Erik

by **Mike Donnel** » Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:00:00

reguard to reality...

>> It's lucky for Damon Hill that Frank Williams doesn't know as much about
>> F1 as you do isn't it? I mean if Frank knew anything at all he would
>> sack Damon, save six million pounds and get a better driver to win the
>> World Championship for him.

>Lets just wait & see who Frank keeps at the end of the year. That should
>be an telling decision!

He'll keep Jacque for sure. Too good not to. Damon cerainly won enough
races to consider keeping. So far at least. Now we'll just have to wait
and see.

Mike

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by **b..** » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

something that surprise me is, when Damon was first driving a F1, it
was in Brabham team with partner Eric Van De Poele... and Eric was
ALWAYS faster than Damon...

shame that Eric doesn't have a F1 car to drive...

by **Mark Rober** » Tue, 30 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>something that surprise me is, when Damon was first driving a F1, it
>was in Brabham team with partner Eric Van De Poele... and Eric was
>ALWAYS faster than Damon...
>shame that Eric doesn't have a F1 car to drive...

Damon Hill - huge number of championship points, 7 victories

Jacques Villeneuve (former Indy 500 winner, Indy Car champ, Kick ass
good indy lights driver) - considerably less championship points, 2
victories

Is Van De Poele better than Villeneuve as well?

Take it how you will ;)

Mark
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This is dreadful..`" Damon Hill
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by **DUGAILLY Berna** » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>>something that surprise me is, when Damon was first driving a F1, it
>>was in Brabham team with partner Eric Van De Poele... and Eric was
>>ALWAYS faster than Damon...
>>shame that Eric doesn't have a F1 car to drive...
>Damon Hill - huge number of championship points, 7 victories

certainly, but won with the best F1 car of the bunch...

dunno, Eric has never been teammate of Jacques ! ;-)))

I will :)

by **papa..** » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00

One little point often forgotten by those so fond of saying that Hill
is only where he is by virtue of the car. In 1994 the car was inferior
to the Benneton. Witness that Senna (my personal all time favorite)
could not keep up with Schumacher. The car was squirrely and threw him
off at Brazil. Are you going to say that it wasnt the car and that
Schumacher was a better driver, if so let me start laughing now. He is
great and maybe as good as Senna but not better. After Senna's death
my respect for Hill grew to the respect I have for him now. He fought
back (yes with some help for FISA) but he came back in a car that
killed one of the best if not the best driver of modern times. Now he
has the 3rd highest winning percentage in HISTORY. Yea he sucks. Yea
right. I guess you critics could do better. NOT. Its pretty easy to
sit back in your easy chair and say so and so sucks but really should
you?

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand....SENNA FOREVER

by **papa..** » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00

God I forgot all about that....ohh no Schui was making those demon
starts all by himself.<VBG> Traction control we dont need no stinking
traction control...hehehe.Maybe Schui is bionic and the traction
control was wired into his foot..<VBG>

Kind of reminds me of the fighter Pilot credo "If ya aint cheatin ya
aint tryin"

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

> I think you will find that he would have far
>rather have been driving the Benetton (especially due to the fact that
>it is highly likely it was using traction control for at least some of
>the races).
>Julian
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> University of Oxford

by **Michael Bruyninc** » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Oh !!! Come ON !!! Senna really was good, and the willams always was
better than the Benetton. In the few laps of the 1994 championship
Senna drove Schumacher mostly won. So it really wasn't just the car.
Senna was more expirienced, then Schumacher, but I think they are
(were for Senna) both Natural Talents. If you would follow the story
arround Schumacher a bit more you probably would have heard that
Schumacher has the tallent to drive good even with bad equipement (I
refering here to his carts-history).

The only reason I can think of that Hill is winning the championship
now is that Schumacher has a very bad car now (just remember the last
3 outs of the ferrari), I guess we really have to wait and see what
happens in the 1997 championship, there are rumors that Hill has to
leave Williams, then we'll really see the qualities of Hill. Just
think of Coulthard, he was also quite good (when not one of the best)
when he drove at Willams, now that he drives at McLaren he is not so
often at the front line.

As I said, wait and see until 1997 or whenever Hill is kicked away
from Williams, then we'll see if he really is that good. Not that I
don't like Hill, I think he has done a great job at his popularity,
you even can see him laugh or smile sometimes, something you couldn't
during 1994 and 1995.

Michael

by **Julian Lov** » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00

> One little point often forgotten by those so fond of saying that Hill
> is only where he is by virtue of the car. In 1994 the car was inferior
> to the Benneton. Witness that Senna (my personal all time favorite)
> could not keep up with Schumacher. The car was squirrely and threw him
> off at Brazil. Are you going to say that it wasnt the car and that
> Schumacher was a better driver, if so let me start laughing now. He is
> great and maybe as good as Senna but not better. After Senna's death
> my respect for Hill grew to the respect I have for him now. He fought
> back (yes with some help for FISA) but he came back in a car that
> killed one of the best if not the best driver of modern times. Now he
> has the 3rd highest winning percentage in HISTORY. Yea he sucks. Yea
> right. I guess you critics could do better. NOT. Its pretty easy to
> sit back in your easy chair and say so and so sucks but really should
> you?

Hear hear! By all acounts the FW16 was a *** to handle, and both Senna
and Hill found it very difficult to set up. Schumacher is a ***y good
driver, and the 1994 Benetton may not have had the power of the Renault
engine, but it's superb handling meant that even Senna had a hard time
just keeping up with Schumie. To say that Hill failed with the best car
in 1994 is just ignorant - I think you will find that he would have far
rather have been driving the Benetton (especially due to the fact that
it is highly likely it was using traction control for at least some of
the races).

Julian
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by **papa..** » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>Oh !!! Come ON !!! Senna really was good, and the willams always was
>better than the Benetton.

Oh really? Bullshit, the Williams was a handful everyone knew it.
Eddie Irvine ,no fan of Senna, even said that only Senna could drive
the Williams as fast as is was going in 94.

Hold up here first you say he is good in bad equipment ( though how
you could imagine the 94 Bennetton as bad is beyond me) then you make
excuses for him in the Ferrari. Cant have it both ways.

Yes well he is in good company if he does leave Williams. Prost,
Mansell now Hill , it seems that Frank Williams has serious problems
with drivers winning the world championship in his car. But then Hill
does always seem to keep good company, such as Fangio, Ascari and Hill
the top three drivers on the start to win ratio.

Maybe you dont get it but he is not paid to smile, he is paid to win.
And he wins more often than anyone else currently driving. In case it
hasnt sunk in he is #3 in starts to wins, FANGIO, ASCARI. Besides you
are quite distant from what he has seen. I will say it again he has my
utmost respect in his courage and determination especially after
watching his performance in the 94 season. He watchs a DEMI GOD die in
the same car he is racing caused most likely by some mechanical
faliure and it doesnt slow him up at all. He gets faster.....unreal.
This is not a slight against Schui as I happen to think he probably
has more natural talent than Hill but just get tired of hearing all
these armchair experts slamming drivers when if given the chance to
ride in a "seat" behind them into the first corner at monza they would
shit themselves.

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

by **dickb** » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I am not all knowing about F1 since I live in the USA but I follow it as
closely as possible in this motorsports deprived area. It sure seems to me that
Villenueve is a serious contender for the championship in the next few years
and Hill is going to be commanding a lot of money when he wins this year. If I
were Williams I would definitely let Hill go and give Villenueve a shot at
being the primary driver especially if I could fave Frensen as a second. It's
impressive how well Villenueve has done in his first year, I know he is driving
the best car in F1 but the guy had no hand in the development of the cars and
doesnt have the laps on these tracks that the rest do. The learning curve has
to be steep. Just an opinion.

by **Mark Rober** » Sat, 03 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>> In the few laps of the 1994 championship
>>Senna drove Schumacher mostly won. So it really wasn't just the car.
>>Senna was more expirienced, then Schumacher, but I think they are
>>(were for Senna) both Natural Talents. If you would follow the story
>>arround Schumacher a bit more you probably would have heard that
>>Schumacher has the tallent to drive good even with bad equipement (I
>>refering here to his carts-history).
>>The only reason I can think of that Hill is winning the championship
>>now is that Schumacher has a very bad car now (just remember the last
>>3 outs of the ferrari), I guess we really have to wait and see what
>>happens in the 1997 championship, there are rumors that Hill has to
>>leave Williams, then we'll really see the qualities of Hill.
>>As I said, wait and see until 1997 or whenever Hill is kicked away
>>from Williams, then we'll see if he really is that good. Not that I
>>don't like Hill, I think he has done a great job at his popularity,
>>you even can see him laugh or smile sometimes, something you couldn't
>>during 1994 and 1995.

I really don`t understand this. When Scummi takes the title in 94 and
95 he is brilliant, but when he does poorly this year it is just
because of his car. When Hill looks a dead certainty to take the
title this year we are not going to take that into account. We are
just going to ignore his mostly flawless performances and wait until
next year to judge his skill. It seems to me people are only prepared
to consider performances that will support their own opinion.

I am not saying Schumacher is ***(before someone flames me!), he is
***y incredible in a racing car. What I am saying is that Hill
deserves a lot more credit than he is being given by some. How many
people would say the only reason Prost won the title in `93 is because
he was driving a Williams?

Mark
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"..every lap I think `Oh bollocks!
This is dreadful..`" Damon Hill
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