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AAAA!!!! HELP ME!!!!! (Benchmarks)

Mark Daviso

AAAA!!!! HELP ME!!!!! (Benchmarks)

by Mark Daviso » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:08:02

Why is my vertex shader score in 3DMark with a GF4Ti4200 in an 1800XP LOWER
than that of a GF2MX in my old P3 866?!?!?!?!?!
And why would that same GF2MX when put into the 1800XP also produce lower
reults (but still higher that with the GF4?!?!?!?!

It's driving me INSANE!!!

Mark
Reading, UK

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:43:47


> Why is my vertex shader score in 3DMark with a GF4Ti4200 in an 1800XP LOWER
> than that of a GF2MX in my old P3 866?!?!?!?!?!
> And why would that same GF2MX when put into the 1800XP also produce lower
> reults (but still higher that with the GF4?!?!?!?!

> It's driving me INSANE!!!

Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ?

If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:58:08


> Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ?

> If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-)

Nevermind, I've read your other posts now

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Mar

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by Mar » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:45:59



> > Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ?

> > If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-)

> Nevermind, I've read your other posts now

I know you said never mind, but the answer is...
HARDLY!

N2002 (the only one that matters right now)
From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at
Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and
the pits and grandstand become visible.  I still get better
performance from D3D than OpenGL.  Replay from***pit gives exactly
same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck.

I'm peeved.  I know I shouldn't read too much into benchmarks, but my
scores seem curiously low.  In another thread someone claimed a score
of circa 9500 with 1800XP/Ti4200 - I get around 6300.

One thing that was noted in the results of 3Dmark is that sideband
addressing(?) was available but disabled.  What is this?  Would it
increase performance and if so how do I enable it?  How do I know if
my components are performing at their optimum?

I know this is awfully off topic but it's a simracing rig on a budget,
so improving framerates in Q3 or whatever doesn't interest me.

Anyone know of a group where I might get answers to these questions?
I'm getting more bald by the minute...

Cheers,

Mark
Reading, UK

Kendt Eklu

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by Kendt Eklu » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:49:52


> Why is my vertex shader score in 3DMark with a GF4Ti4200 in an 1800XP LOWER
> than that of a GF2MX in my old P3 866?!?!?!?!?!
> And why would that same GF2MX when put into the 1800XP also produce lower
> reults (but still higher that with the GF4?!?!?!?!

Barring the obvious questions (Via 4-in-1's, run Det Destroyer, etc.),
get yourself a copy of SiSoft Sandra (the free version has all you
need) and see if a) your processor is running at full speed (maybe
you've got it on 100Mhz FSB) and b) what your memory benchmarks look
like.

I've got a GF3Ti200 and on my XP2100+ system with DDR, I just top 7000
in 3dmark.

Let me know if you need any more details.

HTH,
Kendt

Goy Larse

AAAA!!!! HELP ME!!!!! (Benchmarks)

by Goy Larse » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:49:24




> > > Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ?

> > > If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-)

> > Nevermind, I've read your other posts now

> I know you said never mind, but the answer is...
> HARDLY!

> N2002 (the only one that matters right now)
> From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at
> Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and
> the pits and grandstand become visible.  I still get better
> performance from D3D than OpenGL.  Replay from***pit gives exactly
> same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck.

> I'm peeved.  I know I shouldn't read too much into benchmarks, but my
> scores seem curiously low.  In another thread someone claimed a score
> of circa 9500 with 1800XP/Ti4200 - I get around 6300.

> One thing that was noted in the results of 3Dmark is that sideband
> addressing(?) was available but disabled.  What is this?  Would it
> increase performance and if so how do I enable it?  How do I know if
> my components are performing at their optimum?

> I know this is awfully off topic but it's a simracing rig on a budget,
> so improving framerates in Q3 or whatever doesn't interest me.

> Anyone know of a group where I might get answers to these questions?
> I'm getting more bald by the minute...

www.nvidiafaq.com
alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

TDRacin

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by TDRacin » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:49:22

Don't laugh, but...  when I upgraded to a P4 chip and board, I went from a
Celeron 566/GF2 mx to a P4 1.6A/GF4 4400.  My benchmarks were only in the
5000 range.  I tore my hair out trying to figure out wtf was going on.
Finally, I talked to someone else familiar with P4 boards, and I had to plug
in the extra plug in the mb for more power.  After that I was 10,000+!

Don't overlook the obvious things.

--

Tim Doyle
TDRacin? Online
TeamECR Sim MotorSports
www.TeamECR.com
VRW Team Owner
www.VirtualRacingWorld.com




> > > Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ?

> > > If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-)

> > Nevermind, I've read your other posts now

> I know you said never mind, but the answer is...
> HARDLY!

> N2002 (the only one that matters right now)
> From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at
> Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and
> the pits and grandstand become visible.  I still get better
> performance from D3D than OpenGL.  Replay from***pit gives exactly
> same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck.

> I'm peeved.  I know I shouldn't read too much into benchmarks, but my
> scores seem curiously low.  In another thread someone claimed a score
> of circa 9500 with 1800XP/Ti4200 - I get around 6300.

> One thing that was noted in the results of 3Dmark is that sideband
> addressing(?) was available but disabled.  What is this?  Would it
> increase performance and if so how do I enable it?  How do I know if
> my components are performing at their optimum?

> I know this is awfully off topic but it's a simracing rig on a budget,
> so improving framerates in Q3 or whatever doesn't interest me.

> Anyone know of a group where I might get answers to these questions?
> I'm getting more bald by the minute...

> Cheers,

> Mark
> Reading, UK

Mark Daviso

AAAA!!!! HELP ME!!!!! (Benchmarks)

by Mark Daviso » Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:54:19


> Barring the obvious questions (Via 4-in-1's, run Det Destroyer, etc.),
> get yourself a copy of SiSoft Sandra (the free version has all you
> need) and see if a) your processor is running at full speed (maybe
> you've got it on 100Mhz FSB) and b) what your memory benchmarks look
> like.

> I've got a GF3Ti200 and on my XP2100+ system with DDR, I just top 7000
> in 3dmark.

> Let me know if you need any more details.

Thx all.  Huttu pointed in in the right direction.  When I got this PC I
gutted it - reformat and fresh install of Win98.  I did not know that an AGP
driver was required for windows!!
Popped in the drivers disk for the mobo and there it was.  What a dufus.
Without any tweaking I ran a 3Dmark test and got just under 8500 - MUCH
better than the 6200 I was getting...

Now I need to find out if there's a way on enabling fast writes on this
board, see if I can squeeze a liitle more out...

Thanks again,

Mark
Reading, UK

Ed Solhei

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by Ed Solhei » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 01:30:33

"Mark" <said:

You only get a 4fps increase ??????

What kind of settings/ resoltions are we talking about here??
What sort of systems are these?

I'm considering to upgrade my system too... Right now I got a 1.33gHz  AMD
and a 64mb GF2 Pro...
What I have in mind is to get a 128mb GF4-Ti4400 or maybe a Radeon 8500....
and if my budget allow it.. a faster CPU aswell...

--
ed_

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:48:49

  Double your cpu if possible and then worry about a vid card..Hang on just
a-bit longer.   If/when the Radeon 9000's get released, we 'should' see some
price movement on the TI Nvidia cards
dave henrie

Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:17:57



>Thx all.  Huttu pointed in in the right direction.  When I got this PC I
>gutted it - reformat and fresh install of Win98.  I did not know that an AGP
>driver was required for windows!!

Does that show up in your 'system devices' screen?  I have an AGP card too, but
there's no seperate line for AGP...

Eldred
p.s. now that I look at the device list again, my V5 just shows up as "3dfx
Voodoo Series"... WTF?  Damn...
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Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:52:30




> >Thx all.  Huttu pointed in in the right direction.  When I got this PC I
> >gutted it - reformat and fresh install of Win98.  I did not know that an AGP
> >driver was required for windows!!

> Does that show up in your 'system devices' screen?  I have an AGP card too, but
> there's no seperate line for AGP...

> p.s. now that I look at the device list again, my V5 just shows up as "3dfx
> Voodoo Series"... WTF?  Damn...

If you have installed your "4in1" drivers, you have installed your AGP
drivers as they are part of the "4in1" package

And for the record, on a V5 you probably won't see much difference
anyway, it may look like an AGP card, and it may use the AGP slot, but
in reality it's not taking advantage of AGP, 3Dfx believed the AGP bus
to be too slow to be of much use and designed their card differently,
that's one of the reasons the PCI version of the V5 became quite popular
with people who's computers didn't have an AGP port as the performance
between the two of them were almost identical, hence you got a decent
vid card that would run perfectly happy in a PCI slot

That's Reader Digest version, I can't remember the tech bits, I'm old
and my memory is failing me (actually I'm not *that* old but I'm not a
morning person and I always feel old before lunch)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

Mar

AAAA!!!! HELP ME!!!!! (Benchmarks)

by Mar » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:01:31


> Does that show up in your 'system devices' screen?  I have an AGP card too, but
> there's no seperate line for AGP...

> Eldred
> p.s. now that I look at the device list again, my V5 just shows up as "3dfx
> Voodoo Series"... WTF?  Damn...

I've just gotten into work, but I'll check for you tonight.

BTW, thanks for your work on RASCAR.  I've only attended a couple of
meets (#69 MrkyMrk) but it's much appreciated.  Now that I've got a
more capable rig I may try again - if you decide to keep on truckin',
that is...

Mark

Goy Larse

AAAA!!!! HELP ME!!!!! (Benchmarks)

by Goy Larse » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:47:01


> BTW, thanks for your work on RASCAR.  I've only attended a couple of
> meets (#69 MrkyMrk) but it's much appreciated.  Now that I've got a
> more capable rig I may try again - if you decide to keep on truckin',
> that is...

Would that be THE Marky Mark of "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch" fame ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

Mark Daviso

AAAA!!!! HELP ME!!!!! (Benchmarks)

by Mark Daviso » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:57:02


Embarrasing history aside, Mark Wahlberg (sp?) has com on quite nicely.  I'd
happily step into his shoes!  And yes, I have owned a Marky Mark single at
some point!

I just couldn't think of anything imaginative at registration time.

Mark
Reading, UK
(not Hollywood, USA)


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