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by **Charlie Hea** » Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>Thanks Ed, I thought there might have been something wrong with my
>system since I recently upgraded to a P133. I understand completely and
>I hope :-) that eventually we will be able to see at least 10-12 cars.

>David Martin

David - our first priority is getting clean and reliable connections,
rather than increasing number of cars (and amount of data shoved through
the modem). When something like ISDN becomes a viable consumer WAN
service, we'll give you a bunch more cars and some other goodies as well.
In the short to medium term, we're focusing first and foremost on
minimizing dropped and marginal connections. In the mean time, if you've
got a faster connection, you benifit about as much from reducing latency as
you can by increasing the number of viewable cars.

Charlie Heath
Papyrus Design Group

by **Brad Morga** » Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> No, we're saying that Hawaii is sending you information about cars
> traveling at 200 MPH, accurate to within a fraction of an inch, as well as
> yaw information accurate to 1/4 degree, through a modem. We can't repeal
> the speed of light, nor can we cram 32 cars onto the head of a pin. We'd
> love to be able to send you more cars, but latency, frequency of
> transmission, and reliability are higher priorities for modem racing!

Charlie,

What is different about the 2 player modem racing? My understanding is that
the answering machine is in control and I thought that meant that it was
sending the dialing machine information about all of the cars all of
the time.

From your posts, it appears that this isn't the case because the modem
bandwidth isn't high enough. How are the positions of the AI cars kept
syncronized between the two machines?

Thanks for helping to educate the r.a.s community.

Regards,

Brad

by **Kenneth Howe** » Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> Which brings me back to the point of "Why are you guys crashing on
> the first lap at Talladega, anyway. Wouldn't you rather finish 4th or
> 5th on the lead lap than 23rd, 5 laps down? Come on Hawaiians!

I have no idea. If everyone just got in line...eventually the faster
cars would pass and move ahead...but no..everyone, including the cars in
10th place qualifying want to be in first place coming out of turn 2 on
lap 1....stupid. If you qualify in 10th place...did you ever think that
maybe there's a REASON!

Ken

by **Thomas Durig** » Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I agree Ken, if you qualify in 10th place, there's probably a reason for
it. If everyone would stay in line and try to get into a draft, there
would be a lot less crashing. I tend to qualify about 8th to 15th, and
when I'm on the outside, I run the outside through turns 1 & 2. Sure I
lose a couple of positions, but I don't run into anyone either. I think
you've hit it on the head. Everybody wants on the bottom, and tries to
go to the front, but there's only so much room ......

Tom

by **Eldred Picke** » Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>> I moved from a 0 to 8 in one week...
>That's not racing, buster. In a real race you would be black flagged.
>Everyone is supposed to start at the same speed. If everyone realized
>(or cared) that the tri-oval is no place to pass, we'd all be able to
>enjoy Talladega more. Until then, I won't go to Alabama in my stock car
>unless I'm running against drivers that care about the spirit of
>competition. You know, that spirit that you obviously don't have.

Now THAT was real appropriate... :(
You slam a guy for trying to AVOID incidents? How do YOU know about his
spirit? Just because he isn't able to get the pole position everytime (and
thus avoid most of the idiots), you dismiss him as somehow 'unworthy'. That's
not fair. Why don't you attack the morons that CAUSE pace lap pileups, not
the people who try to avoid them?

________

Eldred Pickett

I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

by **David Spark** » Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>What is different about the 2 player modem racing? My understanding is
>that the answering machine is in control and I thought that meant that it
>was sending the dialing machine information about all of the cars all of
>the time.

Nope. It only sends the cars in the immediate vicinity of the dial-in
driver's car, the same as Hawaii. In fact, I haven't found any significant
difference between the 2-player "client" and the Hawaii "client".

The client machine must keep the server machine updated with the location
of the dial-in driver's car. The server machine then sends back information
on the cars in the immediate vicinity of the dial-in car. If you ever modem
race, save a replay and check around, you'll see you can only find about 10
cars or so in the replay, even when a full field starts. The server machine
has a complete replay, however.

Dave "davids" Sparks
Sequoia Motorsports

by **Whatbra** » Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:00:00

When I do this it seems that a few cars get together and slide up the
track and usualy take me out or I slam them cause I have nowhere to go.

Gene

by **Michael Kirt** » Sun, 30 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Drivng on the apron at Dega isn't REAL racing either but I bet YOU do
it :) Can you really question his spirit for trying to avoid that
invetible first turn pile up? I do agree with you about the skill
rating formula. And as far as those that can only drive Dega, those
guys will back markers at most tracks when the NRL gets cranked up.
They are only cheating themselves.

--------------
Michael Kirton

by **David Marti** » Tue, 02 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> Drivng on the apron at Dega isn't REAL racing either but I bet YOU do
> it :) Can you really question his spirit for trying to avoid that
> invetible first turn pile up? I do agree with you about the skill
> rating formula. And as far as those that can only drive Dega, those
> guys will back markers at most tracks when the NRL gets cranked up.
> They are only cheating themselves.

> --------------
> Michael Kirton

As a matter of fact, I DO NOT drive on the apron at Talladega. Not even
during qualifying.

David Martin

by **Sean Higgi** » Wed, 03 Jul 1996 04:00:00

David,
If you don't drive below the white line, what's your average qual time
at 70 degrees with no wind.
I do drive with my right tires on the the white line and I have found
that it is the fastest way around the track, at least for me. I can
usually only qualify at about 193.400. I can't seem to do better even
with other guys set ups that run faster than me. I'm usually 10th to
15th in qual. I usually finish in the top 7, due to all the doofs going
two wide in the tri or 3-4 wide in the turns.

Sean Higgins

Higgy

by **Chuck Stuar** » Wed, 03 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> David,
> If you don't drive below the white line, what's your average qual time
> at 70 degrees with no wind.
> I do drive with my right tires on the the white line and I have found
> that it is the fastest way around the track, at least for me. I can
> usually only qualify at about 193.400. I can't seem to do better even
> with other guys set ups that run faster than me. I'm usually 10th to
> 15th in qual. I usually finish in the top 7, due to all the doofs going
> two wide in the tri or 3-4 wide in the turns.

> Sean Higgins

> Higgy

Me too. How do guys like ssone come up with those qualifying times?

Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA

by **dglen** » Wed, 03 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> >As a matter of fact, I DO NOT drive on the apron at Talladega. Not even
> >during qualifying.

> >David Martin

> Hi David,

> I didnt mean to sound disrespectful in my post. I am all for realism
> but one also has to adapt to the situation. And based on my
> experience, if you are going to be competative at Dega you HAVE to
> drive on the apron....

I have to agree. The only way to eliminate the apron is to eliminate
the apron. NCR2 (hopefully) will do that. In the mean time, I fell
like I have to do what I have to do (sadly).

David Thompson
Hawaii: dglenn

by **Michael Kirt** » Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>As a matter of fact, I DO NOT drive on the apron at Talladega. Not even
>during qualifying.
>David Martin

Hi David,

I didnt mean to sound disrespectful in my post. I am all for realism
but one also has to adapt to the situation. And based on my
experience, if you are going to be competative at Dega you HAVE to
drive on the apron. I have seen some fast guys using different lines,
some using the apron more than others, but I have yet to see someone
win at Dega and not drive on the apron.

--------------
Michael Kirton

by **Chuck Stuar** » Sun, 07 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I drive Taladega because I can only drive tracks which allow automatic shifting and
continuous 'pedal to the metal' racing. I always qualify last because I'm not fast
enough to qualify in the first row or two nor good enough yet to race 200 mph, bumper to
bumper, door handle to door handle. Is my fault all those yahoos take each other out on
the first lap.

Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA
Hawaii: ChuckStuart(9)

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