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GP2 - discepancy in track length, 99 track pack

Mart Hugh Roger

GP2 - discepancy in track length, 99 track pack

by Mart Hugh Roger » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I have downloaded the 99 trackpack from alphaf1.com.  I am curious about
the track length parameter in GP2 and would welcome any explanation of
it.

The original GP2 for example gives Silverstone 94 as having a track
length of about 1300, however the 99 track pack gives Silverstone 99 as
having a track length of 5.xxx.  

What units are these values in?
What does this parameter actually represent?
Why is there such a discepancy?

Thanks in advance,
mart

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Mart Hugh Rogers

μartij

GP2 - discepancy in track length, 99 track pack

by μartij » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Where did you get the "1300" value? In the trackeditor? Than that's
probably the number of traklengthunits that the track consists of,
including the pitlane. One unit is 16 feet, is 4.87 meters.
The 99-trackpack has about the same number of tracklengthunits, but I guess
you looked at a different value, which gave the calculated length in
meters, Silvy is about 5kms long.



Mart Hugh Roger

GP2 - discepancy in track length, 99 track pack

by Mart Hugh Roger » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00


Yes, in the track editor.  Am I supposed to enter the value as km or
trackunitlengths?  Is it normal to have to convert this, why would the
value be given in km if its intended use was to be set via a
trackmanager - as the trackpack is I believe.

Thanks.

mart

>Than that's
>probably the number of traklengthunits that the track consists of,
>including the pitlane. One unit is 16 feet, is 4.87 meters.
>The 99-trackpack has about the same number of tracklengthunits, but I guess
>you looked at a different value, which gave the calculated length in
>meters, Silvy is about 5kms long.



>> I have downloaded the 99 trackpack from alphaf1.com.  I am curious about
>> the track length parameter in GP2 and would welcome any explanation of
>> it.

>> The original GP2 for example gives Silverstone 94 as having a track
>> length of about 1300, however the 99 track pack gives Silverstone 99 as
>> having a track length of 5.xxx.  

>> What units are these values in?
>> What does this parameter actually represent?
>> Why is there such a discepancy?

>> Thanks in advance,
>> mart

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Mart Hugh Rogers
μartij

GP2 - discepancy in track length, 99 track pack

by μartij » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

The tracklength is also given in kilometres in the same stats window,
called "length km: track"
I don't know where you would want to enter this value (some trackmanager or
whatever?) so please explain.
I don't know anything about the trackmanager, but the trackpack is, IIRC,
intended to be installed stand-alone. Read the TXT file in the trackpack to
be sure of the installation.

Mart Hugh Roger

GP2 - discepancy in track length, 99 track pack

by Mart Hugh Roger » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00


Thanks for your reply.  From the install file tpack99.txt (step 6)...

"Note! * The original GP2 track names, circuit pics, number of lap data,
circuits lenghts and tyre consumptions do not match with the '99 ones,
so you must change them."

This is what I am attempting to achieve using WinTrackMan.  Am I missing
a trick here?

Thanks
mart
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Mart Hugh Rogers

μartij

GP2 - discepancy in track length, 99 track pack

by μartij » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I see.
(I never used this trackmanager, so forgive me for not putting the things
together)

Dug up my trackpack, found the folowing table in there (see below): I guess
all values are in there.
I guess you have all values now, everything clear? Or do you need to know
more, other stuff?

Circuit                    Date  Laps Length Tyre C. GP2 Filename
------------------------------------------------------------------
Melbourne, Australia        7/3   58   5.269  20054   F1CT01.DAT
Interlagos, Brazil         11/4   72   4.325  20140   F1CT02.DAT
Imola, San Marino           2/5   62   4.892  23496   F1CT03.DAT
Monte-Carlo, Monaco        16/5   78   3.328  32384   F1CT04.DAT
Barcelona, Spain           30/5   65   4.727  21237   F1CT05.DAT
Montreal, Canada           13/6   69   4.421  22009   F1CT06.DAT
Magny-Cours, France        27/6   72   4.250  21994   F1CT07.DAT
Silverstone, England       11/7   60   5.160  21012   F1CT08.DAT
A1-Ring, Austria           25/7   71   4.318  23703   F1CT09.DAT
Hockenheim, Germany         1/8   45   6.823  15215   F1CT10.DAT
Hungaroring, Hungary       15/8   77   3.968  21310   F1CT11.DAT
Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium 29/8   44   6.974  25892   F1CT12.DAT
Monza, Italy               12/9   53   5.770  16570   F1CT13.DAT
Nurburgring, Luxembourg    26/9   67   4.556  21012   F1CT14.DAT
Sepang, Malaysia          17/10   56   5.542  23703   F1CT15.DAT
Suzuka, Japan             31/10   53   5.864  23703   F1CT16.DAT

Mart Hugh Roger

GP2 - discepancy in track length, 99 track pack

by Mart Hugh Roger » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Well actually I have two points of confusion :

1.  Does it matter what units the length is entered in - GP2 appears to
use 16 foot trackunit lengths, and trackpack99 uses km.  The
trackmanager field is either a textual string which doesn't care about
the value, or it relies on some units being input.

2.  Is the length of the track or the number of laps used to calculate
the length of the race/amount of fuel installed.  Are these values the
same as the ones I might edit from GP2Edit.

I guess what I am lacking here is knowing in what files the datasets are
stored in and what tool edits which files, and in what circumstances
data values can be held in more than one place and overridden - like the
name of the track may be hardcoded in some GP2 file, or can be extracted
from a f1ct??.dat file

Any good background for this kind of info?

Many thanks for your time.
Mart


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Mart Hugh Rogers


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