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Capp

What sort of wheel are you using?

When I used my old T2 I never had any fish-tails, but with my Wingman
FF i get it quite often.

I guess it is because the forces in the FF-wheel makes the wheel react
more realistic(wheel moves by itself reacting to frontwheel direction
etc) and therefore causing the car to fish-tail. There probably is some
more "physical" explanation for this, but I don't know it! :)

/Martin

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I think the reason why we don't get much of them in a sim is becuase are
wheels are small and only have a limited turning range, so it's quicker
to turn the wheel, you have less chance to getting caught behind in your
steeering(Mr. Slowhands).
Nascar Drivers are famous for tank slappers becuase they have a 10 foot
steering wheel and it turns and turns and turns. Plus they are used to
turning right. :)

Jan.
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I've fishtailed in GPL plenty--often followed by a resounding crash.

Jerry Morelock

David

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Kevin Anderson


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I can tell you, I have an FF wheel and in GPL I *do* experience this.

With my LWFF I get all the fishtail effect I ever want to feel, as the
tires catch and slide and you have to work the tendency of the front
wheel angle causing the rear getting out of shape on the rebound as the
rear tires catch.

It feels pretty realistic to me compared to the fishtails and donuts I
used to do in my old rear wheel drive '67 Chevelle I had (and abused) in
high school. Of course my front wheel drive Honda doesn't do any fun
stuff like that, but at least I can still do that in GPL.

Are you using an FF wheel?

Seeyas on the track.

--John (Joao) Silva

GPL Ferrari driver.
Powerslide Racing Team  - GMSS  League F1 division.
Rossi Razzi Racing Team - IGPLC League F2 division.

I use a constantly-in-a-state-of-repair Thrustmaster Nascar Pro
wheel/pedals.  I set all my setups to 15:1 steering ratio, and recently
changed the core.ini to eliminate the variable ratio steering below 60 MPH.
 (Boy that takes awhile to get used to after driving the other way for so
long).
How does having force feedback affect your lap times?
-Tony

Well I've a MSFF and midpoint at the parabolica right towards the end
is when I experience fish-tailigin if I fail to stick to my line. Also
I am guaranteed fish-tainling at the start of races if I get too
e***d with the throttle.

: Well I've a MSFF and midpoint at the parabolica right towards the end
: is when I experience fish-tailigin if I fail to stick to my line. Also
: I am guaranteed fish-tainling at the start of races if I get too
: e***d with the throttle.

  Are we talking about fish tailing - the wagging side to side of the
rear end of the car before either disaster or miracle recovery - or
just getting sideways.  I very rarely get actual fishtailing anywhere
except out of Lesmo 2 at Monza.  I assumed it could only happen under
power on where the front has plenty of grip but the rear hasn't.

  Anyone able to actually explain fishtailing?

--
Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
    Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
      Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
    www:  http://www.racesimcentral.net/

On a ***cycle,  your weight loads the suspension when the rear tire
finally grabs,  that's when a couple of ugly things happen.  You might
get spit over the front or get one or even two more tank slaps before
getting spit over the side.  The two wheel question is not how to stop
the slap (because your body is causing the problem and you probably
don't have enough control over your body at that point).....but before
all this happens...(cus you been in the corner before)  flat trackers
pull left foot off and lean foreward to keep the back wheel from
grabing abruptly,  moto-xers do the impossible and stand up and lean
foreward & keep the throttle wicked up.. ssshhhh,  and road racers just
do 2 tanks slappers and crash.  Oh,  you won't find this happening in
speedway,  they don't use much suspension.