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Practicing at Hungororing, I tried lowering the rear wing setting to 1
(lowest posible setting, front wing at 10). I was expecting the back end
to spin out at the first turn but it held and I managed to complete a
lap in a fairly good time. The back end was a bit loose on the fastest
curves but I was expecting the car to be virtually undriveable with this
configuration, as it would be in other driving sims such as f1gp v2 and
Indycar II.
     Is this realistic car behaviour? or a fault in GP2.
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Richard Cowl

: Practicing at Hungororing, I tried lowering the rear wing setting to 1
: (lowest posible setting, front wing at 10). I was expecting the back end
: to spin out at the first turn but it held and I managed to complete a
: lap in a fairly good time. The back end was a bit loose on the fastest
: curves but I was expecting the car to be virtually undriveable with this
: configuration, as it would be in other driving sims such as f1gp v2 and
: Indycar II.
:      Is this realistic car behaviour? or a fault in GP2.

Driving with any driving aids?  I think there are some major differences
in the real world between F1 & Indycars.  The have a completely
differenct approach to downforce.  I suspect, but could be wrong, that
the F1 car produces greater downforce than the Indycars.

I've heard alot of people complain about ICR2's handling
characteristics.  This was enhanced with the "traction" bug, but the
patch seems to have at least made the handling consistant.  I think that
these complaints have been unjustified.  If one closely follows the CART
season, they will have seen numerous examples of the loose rear of an
Indycar.  I mean watch the masters shake and twitch their rear ends
trying to get the power down coming out of slow corners.  How many times
has Paul Tracy seen his rear come around on him?  Even some of the
"smoothest" drivers have been bitten by this (Bobby Rahal for example).

I still feel that GP2 over-simulates greater control than ICR2.  I still
can't believe that in the real world one can take the Parabolica, pour
on the power, pull the wheel hard right and have the car stick as if I
was going straight.  No grip loss, no fading to the left.  It just seems
unreal.  (This is with no driving aids, rear wing 1 and front from 4-6).
But, then maybe an F1 car can really do this...  This corner feels alot
like the Turn 7 at Burke Lakefront, Cleveland.  This is another corner
that if setup right, one can start pouring on the power through the
corner.  However, in ICR2, the car drifts left.  The more power applied
the greater the drift.  In GP2 I don't really feel the drift.  The car
either turns under power or doesn't.  There is very little drift.

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On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:43:33 +0100, Richard Cowl

I tend to find on that course that the key was getting the front wing
to the max before it started to degrade rear-wing performance, then do
the rest of the adjustments on ride-height and springs. My times are
not amazing, but I'm winning at "semi-pro" with them (1:02 or so? I
can't quite remember).

On Aug 12, 1996 16:49:19 in article <Re: GP2: Wing downforce,

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~RGordon~

Mark
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"..every lap I think `Oh bollocks!
This is dreadful..`" Damon Hill
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|>
|>
|> >Practicing at Hungororing, I tried lowering the rear wing setting to 1
|> >(lowest posible setting, front wing at 10). I was expecting the back end
|> >to spin out at the first turn but it held and I managed to complete a
|> >lap in a fairly good time. The back end was a bit loose on the fastest
|> >curves but I was expecting the car to be virtually undriveable with this
|> >configuration, as it would be in other driving sims such as f1gp v2 and
|> >Indycar II.
|> >     Is this realistic car behaviour? or a fault in GP2.
|> >--
|> >Richard Cowl
|>
|> I`m _guessing_ you have steering help on.  If you use a keyboard you
|> can`t switch it off.  If you do have this on the computer tends to
|> look after the oversteer for you, allowing you to brake extremely late
|> for corners and still get the car round.  If you don`t have this on
|> then your reactions and car control are a lot better than mine!

Not necessarily related to steering help. When I use the keyboard (i.e.
with steering help), I can always swing the back end of the car and lose
control, with a bad setup. You can always countermeasure this by tweaking
the anti-sway bars, the suspensions etc. I usually set my front wings 100%
more than the rear wings. Except in the slow and high down force circuits
like Monaco and Hungary. The rear wings have a greater drag on a car's top
speed than the front wings.

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On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:43:33 +0100, Richard Cowl

Cheers Thomas
--- Get up, dive down, no problem

1:15.2xx has already been done - no driver aids at all.

You're right though, we're already at the stage of shaving tenths, and
1:13 or so is probably the lowest. 1:02 - no way!

Cheers!
John
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OTOH, front wing seems not to be so important... at least if you
happen to lose it. During a race in Hungary I lost the front wing
on the lap two and decided not to get it fixed as the race was
only 12 laps long. A good decision, I continued turning out lap
times of 1:25 consistently (my best is 1:23:xxx, no helps except
traction, proc.occ. ~80%). Outside views showed that I had lost
the front wing on both sides.

Even losing the whole front section does not hinder the driving
too much, either :(
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Richard