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Mitch_Alatorr

High Groove are confused

by Mitch_Alatorr » Fri, 28 May 1999 04:00:00

Mike,
This statement brings up a question I've wondered about for years.  In ICR2
I thought the graphics were much much better than N2.  The
reason..Anti-Aliasing!  If they could put that feature in ICR2, and N2 is
based on the N2 graphics engine then why did we never see AA in N2?  Just
curious?

Mitch Alatorre
naman TEN/NROS
Team Tachyon



John Walla

High Groove are confused

by John Walla » Fri, 28 May 1999 04:00:00


>So if the shop is out of prime materials, they can sell second rate as
>great quality?  Not having any good hunting games doesn't make Deer
>Hunter any less amateurish and crappy.

Okay, once again...

"I think we should be careful not to misuse the word "quality". __IF__
deer hunter is the best game in it's class and satisfies the
requirements of it's market then it is by definition a good quality
product relative to what is required"

Now I don't know deer hunter from a hole in the wall and wouldn't play
it if I did. However, if people are buying it and are happy with it
then it is "a good product". It doesn't matter if you or I think it's
crap, we're not the market. What does matter is if a) the market
thinks it's bad, or b) a better product shows up and opens people's
eyes to something new.

Cheers!
John

Don Hanco

High Groove are confused

by Don Hanco » Sat, 29 May 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 27 May 1999 10:15:08 -0400, "Joel Willstein"


>    Gunner,

>     I can't believe you said this. No company in their right mind would
>release a product for sale,knowing that the vast majority of its customers

        You're right.... guess I was just drunk.... lol.
        Actually I hadn't thought about the initial startup costs of
packaging, etc.  EVENTUALLY they may recoup some of it, but it'd take
a while, agreed.
        BUT I stand by my statement that they could be surprised what
some people to do to run it...

Gunner

Byron Forbe

High Groove are confused

by Byron Forbe » Sun, 30 May 1999 04:00:00




> > Having neither seen nor tried N3 how can this be said with any greater
> > degree of accuracy than anyone else on the newsgroup can claim? I'd
> > think it unlikely that a "new" engine would be created (different from
> > current old (ICR2, N2) and new (GPL) engines, since that would be a
> > huge and unnecessary undertaking.

> I can only tell you what the people at Papy told me. I don't know where
> everyone in the ng gets their information. We got our information right
> from the source.

   Just a quick note here that it was "from the horses mouth" that much
of the reason for GPL was to provide the physics engine to take Papyrus
sims into the next millenium. Mike Lescault represented Papyrus on The
Apex message boards from the onset of the GPL demo and this was one of
the first things he said. I bet my ..... that N3 will use the GPL
engine. It may be slightly upgraded in some areas and even dumbed down
in others, but it will use the GPL engine unless Papy suddenly loses all
sanity. In fact, I'm sure that much of what was learned making the GPL
physics engine will be used in the overhaul of N2 -> N2000 - even some
cutting and pasting :)
Byron Forbe

High Groove are confused

by Byron Forbe » Sun, 30 May 1999 04:00:00


> Now I don't know deer hunter from a hole in the wall and wouldn't play
> it if I did. However, if people are buying it and are happy with it
> then it is "a good product". It doesn't matter if you or I think it's
> crap, we're not the market. What does matter is if a) the market
> thinks it's bad, or b) a better product shows up and opens people's
> eyes to something new.

> Cheers!
> John

  From the Accountant's point of view, not the Artist's :)
Toni Lassi

High Groove are confused

by Toni Lassi » Sun, 30 May 1999 04:00:00

The number one rule of retail: "90% of customers are less intelligent
than average". Trabants and such sold huge quantities in the former
Soviet Union, yet I challenge anyone to call them quality. Not even
"quality".

DPHI

High Groove are confused

by DPHI » Sun, 30 May 1999 04:00:00

Thus the reason behind the popularity of NASCAR  in the US. Just as in our
television programming, our popular films and music and in our education
system, our racing is being "dumbed-down" to the lowest common denominator to
suit the needs of people with the attention span of the average Golden
Retriever.

-don

John Walla

High Groove are confused

by John Walla » Sun, 30 May 1999 04:00:00



The analogy works whichever you are, just that each may respond to
different things. The key thing is satisfying a market, and if you're
in the business of making money (aka "a company") an accountant's view
is as valid as an artist - in fact one is as essential as the other to
maintain a balance.

Cheers!
John

John Walla

High Groove are confused

by John Walla » Sun, 30 May 1999 04:00:00


>The number one rule of retail: "90% of customers are less intelligent
>than average". Trabants and such sold huge quantities in the former
>Soviet Union, yet I challenge anyone to call them quality. Not even
>"quality".

I may need to resort to pictures soon - the pop-up book of market
awareness. :-)

How many Ferrari showrooms were there in the former Soviet Union?
Porsche? Ford? How about even Fiat, or Renault then? Could it be that
in_relation_to_what_was_available it is a quality car? Or that in
_relation_to_what_the_market_wanted/could_afford_ that the Trabant was
actually a quality car? Of course it was. Just look at the cars that
sell well in India or Malaysia, since what is relevant is what your
market wants. There's no doubting that a BMW is a better car than a
Trabant, but when it costs about 10 years wages you'll take a bath on
it if you try selling them.

So too with sims - deer hunter might suck to you and I, but until
someone else releases the "Ferrari 360 Modena" of Deer Hunter sims it
will continue to satisfy the market at a profit - the single most
critical thing for a product to achieve.

Cheers!
John


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