rec.autos.simulators

> > Certainly latency is key in online games.  But overall and generally,
> Cable
> > modems are better for *** than are 56k modems.  That seems like a
> > resaonable assumption to make.  My ISP is fantastic (except for its
> > newsgroups, the server seeming to be always down.   And no matter what
> > someone else may think or want to believe, I'd be a fool to return to
> a
> > dial-up connection.  My cable connection (and, I would suspect, 90% of
> > everyone else's) is 30 times better for online *** than a 56k.

> > Alanb

> > > > The question is not can you play online with a 56k, but the
> quality of
> > the
> > > > connection.  If you want to play online and have minimal lag, for
> the
> > most
> > > > part, you need Cable or DSL.  If you think otherwise you're only
> wishing
> > > you
> > > > had a high-speed connection.

> > > > Alanb

> > > I am inclined to agree w/ the 1st two points you make, but I think
> you are
> > a
> > > little confused.  Quality & "lag" (assuming you mean ping times or
> > latency)
> > > are *NOT* the same thing.

> > > And, actually, I *DO* wish I had a cable connection again (moved
> recently
> > to
> > > a town that doesn't have any broadband connections), but not for
> racing.
> > > Best conn speed I get now is 26,400 to 28,800, w/ active pings
> between
> > 210 -
> > > 235, but w/ consistant 99% - 100% quality (N2002).  I had *less*
> quality
> > > when on attbi cable, & the warp & discos were *more* common then,
> although
> > > the ping times were lower... ~70 - 75.

> > > IMHO, unless you are hosting, quality is more important than the
> ping
> > times,
> > > & some cable co.s are not known for their connection quality.

> > > OTOH, 45 min to download a ~4 meg update is enough to make me pull
> my hair
> > > out... but that's another story. ;-)

> > > Brian

> > > > > > I realize that F1 2002 is not made by the mighty Papyrus, but
> what
> > can
> > > > you
> > > > > > expect with a 56k.  In this day and age, you need a high-speed
> > > > connection.

> > > > > Actually you don't, you can play just about any online game
> there is
> > on
> > > > > a 56k connection, FPS games, RealTime Strategy, flight
> > > > > sims......somehow, this hasn't quite trickled through to some
> sim
> > racing
> > > > > developers

> > > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > > (uncle) Goy

> > > > > "The Pits" http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> > > > > --Groucho Marx--

> First test, omg, warping cars all over the place.
> But those people were on modem :(

> Second test, woa... seems good, host on ISDN,
> not that much warp, works pretty good. Thanks.
> Just 1 or 2 warping cars out of 13. Probably were
> they on a low bandwidth.

> Last tests, a guy hosted on his 10MBit, and most guys were on cable /
adsl,
> WOW!!.
> 14cars battling for position, now this is racing!. It was great, and no
> problem at all, except for one lousy car that warped around all the time.

> > Anyone tried it yet.

> > HOLY COW

> > It's WORSE than before.

> > I had good online races with the GT mod (granted - only 3 cars) - but
> F12k2
> > is a Complete joke.

> > Consider this analogy

> > The net code in F12k2 is as usefull as a mouse with no buttons.

> > I'm going to try and record a movie of it with my digital camear - but
to
> > give you an idea.

> > The other cars make brief, scattey appearences here and there from time
to
> > time - more suggesting where the might have been, or perhaps will be
> within
> > the next few seconds.

> > Granted - I'm on 56k - but I tried 4 diferent servers - all the same.

> > Why can I play a perfectly smooth N2k2 game down a 56k, but I cant play
> > F12k2.

> > One answer - appauling net code.

> > Douh

> I don't know why people expect F12002 to be smooth without a dedicated,
high
> bandwith server if you can't do the same in N2002. Andreas Nystrom just
had
> a very positive report of 14 drivers being hosted on a high speed line.

> FWIW, people could host seven other cars with a 28.8 or 33.6 modem in CPR,
> MTM2, and POD (and others). With GPL you couldn't host more than 1 or two
> other cars with the same modems.

> David G Fisher

> > 56k is fine for the client, but not for the server.  At least not for
> > any games that I am familiar with (admittedly I don't do much online
> > racing).  I think that most people who run GPL or NR2002 servers are
> > running dedicated servers on a high bandwidth connection.  Have any of
> > you tried running a GPL *server* on a 56k connection?  And playing on
> > the same machine at the same time?  I doubt that it would work very
> > well.  With EA's F1 series there is no dedicated server, if I'm not
> > mistaken.  That means the guy running the server both needs to be on a
> > high bandwidth connection and needs to have a fast machine, or game
> > quality will suffer.

>I think that overall most of you guys on here are just expecting too much.
>Everything has to be GPL-like or it's not worth the spit of a cow.

> > But, it would be MUCH better if it was
> > like GPL, where you only see
> > 4 cars ahead and one behind you. In F1 2001 / 2002, you see all cars.
> If we
> > had a dedicated server who
> > looked up which cars we are supposed to see, that would improve
> performance.

> > still i think ISI should do some more work on multiplayer. No chat in
> car :/

> No. That's impossible. You must be lying. :-)

> > Certainly latency is key in online games.  But overall and generally,
> Cable
> > modems are better for *** than are 56k modems.

> That was not your orig. point though -

> "  In this day and age, you need a high-speed connection."

> Which is not true

> Doug

> > > Certainly latency is key in online games.  But overall and generally,
> > Cable
> > > modems are better for *** than are 56k modems.

> > That was not your orig. point though -

> > "  In this day and age, you need a high-speed connection."

> > Which is not true

> > Doug

>      Lets focus his statement then...
>   In this day and age, when racing with any of the ISI F1 titles, you need
a
> high-speed connection.

>   Certainly a 56k er CAN connect and race, but the experience will be less
> than enjoyable for the entire pack.
> dave henrie