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G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

ymenar

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by ymenar » Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:00:00


You clearly have no understanding of the business side of the ***
industry, especially related to sports-game which include problems due to
licensing people and places.

FYI, call the Daytona USA store and buy 1 demo of the Daytona track.  It is
legal for you to modify it so you include the track in Nascar Racing 3, or
Nascar Legends.  What do you want more? Papyrus has given you diamonds, yet
you whine that the plate in which they are presented is silver, not gold.

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bfd

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by bfd » Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:00:00

yes, I believe this chap is correct. papy's hands are tied yet they still
managed to produce an authentic daytona track for nascar3

and sure, papy is contractually obligated to distribute it with the daytona
500 program only - any response they make, to anyone asking for a seperate
copy or wanting to post this track online, will of course be patterened from
their legal contract with dayton internation speedway.

it wouldn't look good for papy if taken to court by dis with a fan site
having an email from papy giving them a "go-ahead" to post this track.

yet, papy worked so hard they surely didn't forget their fans...in fact, my
opinion is that they want their true fans to have this (why else create a
demo of a track not even included in the game?)  and will take a 'what we
don't know about can't hurt us' approach.

so, the question is;

are you willing to download daytona from a site that has posted it without
the expressed writen permission of papy, after all - isn't it part of a
demo??
-or
do you want to wait until dis' current exclusive license with sega runs out
and papy works out a license agreement with them to include it in
nascar5? --hopefully by then cars will also be able to flip.



> > Say what you want and flame me if you wish, but you know I am correct
> > here.

> You clearly have no understanding of the business side of the ***
> industry, especially related to sports-game which include problems due to
> licensing people and places.

> FYI, call the Daytona USA store and buy 1 demo of the Daytona track.  It
is
> legal for you to modify it so you include the track in Nascar Racing 3, or
> Nascar Legends.  What do you want more? Papyrus has given you diamonds,
yet
> you whine that the plate in which they are presented is silver, not gold.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Alastair Ingra

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Alastair Ingra » Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:00:00

GPL a fiasco? Just because you can't figure out how to get it working
correctly, don't post your whinings here. Quit cryin' ya big baby.
edb

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by edb » Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I agree with these guys, just follow me a minute,

You can actually get on the internet, check email, FIND ng's, and probably
surf the web. If you're above the age of 21, then you probably have more
friends who aren't on the net than those who are.
So, these 2 things probably make you feel very "tech savvy". I agree, you
probably are, probably have a big TV and DVD. If you are so tech savvy that
you would know about getting on the net, to find a track, for a game, which
probably less than 1% of people in the US even know about in-depth, then
don't you think that guys smart enough to actually PROGRAM that game know
that releasing 100,000 copies of THAT track anywhere, especially free with
race program as I heard it,  is going to end up getting to the people who
are into their game deep enough to find it? I say, good business move, great
end run, can't wait till N4, I'll buy it.

The other thing, after Daytona, we definitely need flipping cars. NFS does
it, AND looks better in D3D. The perfect blend is out there somewhere,
probably N5.

Not flaming, just expressing a different viewpoint for you to consider,
edb

PS: Don't even own GPL, so no comment there.


> yes, I believe this chap is correct. papy's hands are tied yet they still
> managed to produce an authentic daytona track for nascar3

> and sure, papy is contractually obligated to distribute it with the
daytona
> 500 program only - any response they make, to anyone asking for a seperate
> copy or wanting to post this track online, will of course be patterened
from
> their legal contract with dayton internation speedway.

> it wouldn't look good for papy if taken to court by dis with a fan site
> having an email from papy giving them a "go-ahead" to post this track.

> yet, papy worked so hard they surely didn't forget their fans...in fact,
my
> opinion is that they want their true fans to have this (why else create a
> demo of a track not even included in the game?)  and will take a 'what we
> don't know about can't hurt us' approach.

> so, the question is;

> are you willing to download daytona from a site that has posted it without
> the expressed writen permission of papy, after all - isn't it part of a
> demo??
> -or
> do you want to wait until dis' current exclusive license with sega runs
out
> and papy works out a license agreement with them to include it in
> nascar5? --hopefully by then cars will also be able to flip.




> > > Say what you want and flame me if you wish, but you know I am correct
> > > here.

> > You clearly have no understanding of the business side of the ***
> > industry, especially related to sports-game which include problems due
to
> > licensing people and places.

> > FYI, call the Daytona USA store and buy 1 demo of the Daytona track.  It
> is
> > legal for you to modify it so you include the track in Nascar Racing 3,
or
> > Nascar Legends.  What do you want more? Papyrus has given you diamonds,
> yet
> > you whine that the plate in which they are presented is silver, not
gold.

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- May the Downforce be with you...
> > -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
> realise
> > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

rrevv

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by rrevv » Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:00:00

R U AN IDIOT?

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David Kar

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by David Kar » Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Dear Melvin,

I am sorry I hit you on the head so hard.  Please do not go into anymore
newsgroups just yet, however.  You have several more months of therapy yet
before you'll want to do that.

--Momma Cass


Vibbar Nar

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Vibbar Nar » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Flame ME if you wish, but down deep inside, everyone knows they are
rushing around like "chickens chasing Junebugs" attempting to locate
their version of the DAYTONA track for either Nascar Legends or Nascar
3.

Isn't it amazing that we can be loyal supporters of Papyrus all these
years and support them when they would bring out each and every
simulation?

Yes,  each and every one of you walk on water!  Oh yes!  I am amazed
that each and every one of you have not been KNIGHTED by the QUEEN!
Oh yes!  Where is SAINTHOOD??????

***

We have stood by Papy because they made the best sims, HANDS DOWN!

But, after that fiasco called GPL, and the PATCH ***that made it
worthless and unplayable on my 500 speed computer updated to the
latest equipment to the tune of over a thousand dollars, and now this
slam in the face over the Daytona disk, just because WE aren't THERE,
I have a problem with their mentality when it comes to loyalty of
their customer base.

I think they would feel pretty strange if they started producing
simulations and we all started boycotting them and the sales figures
perhaps fell in the column much as GPL did.

At that point, I think they would understand what the term "come-back"
sale really means, as that is what they truly depend on as each sim is
released.

Say what you want and flame me if you wish, but you know I am correct
here.

Benjam

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Benjam » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

What, if anything, in Sam Peckinpaw's Wide World of Sports are you
talking about.......?

On 2nd thought, never mind... it's obvious you don't know, and I
really don't want to....



Todd Sorense

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Todd Sorense » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Oh just shut up.


Bruce Kennewel

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

You are correct here.

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Graeme Nas

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Graeme Nas » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

*possibly the biggest PLONK of all time*

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Scott B. Huste

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Scott B. Huste » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Frank,

You know better than this.  It is NOT legal to use the Daytona track outside
its intended use in the DEMO.  Using it in N3/NL is NOT legal.

Scott
PA-Scott
PowerSims.com

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Ken Bear

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Ken Bear » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Uh, you're ranting and entirely off base.

Daytona and all it's issues are NOT Papy's doing, blame the track owners.
It's been discussed to death.  We had the same endless bleating about why
they didn't come out with a 3dfx patch for N2 many moons ago, and again we
had 95% of the people ignoring simple facts and running around screaming
***.  And, BTW, I have the Daytona track on my machine - very, very
easy to find, so I can't see it as that big an issue if you really want it
you can find it.  If they wanted to***us, guess what - it would NOT have
been at all difficult to modify the track and the .EXE on the demo to where
this Daytona would NOT be compatible with N3, only the .EXE of the demo
disk.  But they kept the standard track format, to where it just pops in.
You think they didn't know it'd leak out?

And, since when was GPL a "fiasco"?  If it doesn't run well on your
computer, sorry, YOUR fault, not Papy's.  It runs great on my almost 2 year
old P2-400 w/ a almost year old Voodoo3 3000, year old SB Live.  Lemme
guess, you ran out and "upgraded" to a GeForce or something based on hype,
ignoring that GPL runs better on Glide cards such as the V3, yet want to
blame Papy for this.  Priceless

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Benjam

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by Benjam » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:10:25 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"


>Frank,

>You know better than this.  It is NOT legal to use the Daytona track outside
>its intended use in the DEMO.  Using it in N3/NL is NOT legal.

Isn't it perfectly legal, if you purchase the NASCAR 3 software, and
then you purchase the demo or whatever that has Daytona, to put it in
YOUR copy of the game for your own personal use.... surely that can't
be illegal - it's impossible to enforce..... That would be like saying
it's against the law to open a file created with Microsoft Works using
Excel.

Now, if you own N3, and you download Daytona off the internet and use
it, yeah, that's technically illegal....  but if you're using two
pieces of software that you rightfully own (or more accurately, are
licensed to use) that just happen to work together and you're not
using it for your own financial gain or distributing it, I don't see
how it's not legal....

edb

G R E E D, for a lack of a better term, is good. I suppose that is the motto

by edb » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00



Actually it is legal as long as OWN both the demo and N3, according to papy
anyway.


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