rec.autos.simulators

by **David Butte** » Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hey EB, you've got a potential customer here! Open another shop!

Auto gears, braking help, throttle help - that's 3. In any case, why
not read some reviews? They normally are out by the time the game's
released. And there were two demos (no AI, I admit).

I'm 25, so by rights I ought to spend my time playing Quake III or
something. As it happens, I don't really like blast-em-up type games,
though Half-Life is an exception as it requires you to think a bit. And
I absolutely love Thief. But GPL is better, of course :-)

--
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"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

by **Peter O'Conno** » Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:00:00

In response to "other than on this forum GPL gets no recognition":

There's is a GPL only forum here http://www.gplea.org/ (and you can also
get 3rd party add-ons here)
and a forum that is often interested in GPL here http://timwheatley.co.uk/

And if you're interested in getting 3rd party dashes for the cars (and
hopefully more soon),
check out my site (GPLSF) here http://129.100.29.86/gpl/

Peter O'Connor - GPLSF

> It was.

> Oliver
> BEOROCKET Racing: www.beorocket.co.yu

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> > Just that (other than on this forum) GPL gets no recognition.

> > Plus Papyrus seem more interested in specialising in Nascar
> > than developing a GPL franchise.

> > You look at something like the "test drive" series - awful games,
> > but I guess they were at least moneyspinners.

> > Maybe the marketers let them down, somehow Papy needed
> > to communicate that the simulation was technically up to date,
> > even if what it simulated wasn't.

> > --
> > Steven Crook-Dawkins

by **Kenneth Verbur** » Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Then I'd also like to throw in
http://forums.simracingnews.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topic...
=Grand+Prix+Legends&number=12 with almost 2700 posts concerning GPL...

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Kenneth Verburg
Editor-in-Chief, High Gear
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by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> I think it was the pure fact than the game did not appeal to the
> game-buying group of 15-30 year old. I know GPL is run by people a lot
> "older" than that, but how many of them buy other games like Unreal
> Tournament ?

41 years old. I enjoy Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 also for that matter.
Good for eye-hand coordination. ;-)

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Chuck Kandler

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allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

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by **SKur** » Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hmmmm i was 31 when i got GPL, and n avid quake player

Martyn_D

> > My 2cents:
> > Accessability is what id say.

> > Gp2 sold over a million copies and had 7 types of driver aids with about 6
> > ai difficulties. You could play it with the keyboard. Yet turn all the help
> > off and play with an analoge controller and you had the deepest sim of the
> > day. (papy contemporairy is indycar2)

> > Gpl on the other hand had 2 driver aids, very bad default setups, hard ai
> > for newbies and didnt suppord d3d. I would say d3d cost at least half the
> > sales easy. How did it sell? below 100000 copies? It may very well be the
> > best sim made but its very far away from the most well rounded.

> Yeah, but how many did return it ? When I buy a game I have no option
> to return it, only to sell it to a second hand store. And there is no
> place on the box that says: Only 2 driver aids, bad default setups
> (don't agree :) hard ai...

> I think it was the pure fact than the game did not appeal to the
> game-buying group of 15-30 year old. I know GPL is run by people a lot
> "older" than that, but how many of them buy other games like Unreal
> Tournament ?

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
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by **Joe6** » Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>All they needed to do was make the cars more grippy for an easy
>mode...

Exactly. That and an AI slider. It would have been sooooo easy to add
an arcade mode. Who knows how many more copies it would have sold.
Doubled sales at the very least.

Joe McGinn
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Radical Entertainment

by **Eldre** » Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:00:00

writes:

>> I think it was the pure fact than the game did not appeal to the
>> game-buying group of 15-30 year old. I know GPL is run by people a lot
>> "older" than that, but how many of them buy other games like Unreal
>> Tournament ?

>41 years old. I enjoy Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 also for that matter.
>Good for eye-hand coordination. ;-)

>--
>Chuck Kandler

Geez, Chuck - you're OLD! :)
Maybe I'll challenge to a game of Quake sometime... On second thought, maybe
I'll stick to GPL. My 'frags' there are MUCH more spectacular! <g>

Eldred
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by **Uncle Feste** » Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> >41 years old. I enjoy Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 also for that matter.
> >Good for eye-hand coordination. ;-)

> >--
> >Chuck Kandler

> Geez, Chuck - you're OLD! :)
> Maybe I'll challenge to a game of Quake sometime... On second thought, maybe
> I'll stick to GPL. My 'frags' there are MUCH more spectacular! <g>

Ummm... Geeez.... thanks. I think. ;-) Didn't notice at the Grand
Prix what little hair I have left is mostly grey, eh? LOL

Not to worry, I haven't got the art of keyboard/mouse down any more than
I've got the left foot braking down in driving sims. <g> I do die with
more 'style points' in GPL as well, I'll admit!

--
Chuck Kandler

A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

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by **Joel Willstei** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Sierra/Papyrus lost their shirt on GPL. From what we have been able to
find out, they only sold around 45,000 copies. For whatever reasons GPL
didn't sell, numbers like these will put a software house right out of
business.

Right now the Nascar titles that Papyrus creates are keeping the
company in the black. So you can continue to expect to see this trend
continuing. Although there are rumors around that Papyrus is about ready to
do something with the GPL physics engine and a open wheel series.

Joel Willstein

by **bog** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I can't imagine Papyrus won't use the physics engine again - but
you'd have to say an open wheel game would work best and then of
course you run into licensing problems. Modern f1 is concerned
with money alone and won't be interested in a game glorifying
something so insignificant as driving ability.

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by **Brett C. Camma** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:03:18 -0700, bog

> Modern f1 is concerned with money alone and won't be interested in a game glorifying
>something so insignificant as driving ability.

Replace "Modern f1" with "Bernie Ecclestone" and you'll just about
have it.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

by **Brett C. Camma** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:57:08 -0300, "Joel Willstein"

> Sierra/Papyrus lost their shirt on GPL.

And yet, somehow, I feel like it will sell longer than the average
racing title even if the numbers never get generated.

I suspect that the lackluster sales of Nascar Legends pretty much put
the last nail in the coffin for Payrus/Sierra *ever* putting out
another title with the word "legends" in it.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

by **Gollu** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> Sierra/Papyrus lost their shirt on GPL. From what we have been able to
> find out, they only sold around 45,000 copies. For whatever reasons GPL
> didn't sell, numbers like these will put a software house right out of
> business.

Well, you can increase that sales figure by an additional 3. I bought 3 more
copies yesterday as the store was clearing them out at $9.99 each. Gonna give a
copy to a couple friends, but I wanted another copy myself just to have an
additional set of the manuals - my first copy of "4 Wheel Drift" is pretty well
worn out. <g>

by **GUCCIPHI** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Where did you buy it at $9.99 each?

by **Pierre PAPA DOC Legra** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

*** GPL/Flight sim/Unreal Tourney/Rogue Spear Fan here....44
years old.

But I agree that it could have been alot more accessable....arcade
grip and such would have made it alot more appealing. Damn so many
people would have had a ball running thru the Ring even if they didnt
know what it was...running thru mountains in a fast car is appealing.

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