rec.autos.simulators

by **Kulvinder Singh Mathar** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:50:49 +0100, Kulvinder Singh Matharu

>>I also tried the UBISOFT F1 game and I didn't like it...it felt too
>>much like an arcade game rather than a full blown sim. there were
>>other F1 games there too but they were all like the UBISOFT
>>version...horrible!

>Umm, what Ubisoft game? I thought there won't be a new F1 sim from
>them anytime soon... They surely didn't come with MGPRS to ECTS, that
>was last year.

>--Tel

There was an F1 game at UBISOFT...didn't know what it was called...or
have I got confused with the Guillemot stand where they were
demonstrating their force feedback wheels and pedals?

--
Kulvinder Singh Matharu

Website: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
(note : e-mail header address deliberately mangled)

by **Shum** » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Well.... should be interesting to see since the FIA was very adamant about
NOT allowing Internet play of ANY official F1 Sim during the time Ubi was
approaching them. Reliable sources tell me that's the MAIN reason MGPRS2
didn't have the "Official" flavour to it.

However, there's always VPN :)

Will be interesting to see if Internet Play will ship standard, or if Geoff
will just leave the code floating in the wind for those dedicated
individuals to start tweaking for such a feature (You listening Allison?
hehe...)

Cheers,

Shumi

>>Nice report. Did they mention anything about internet play? That's the
big
>>one for me. You'd think internet play would be a must for any game these
>>days, but it's suprising how many new games don't have it at all. Keepin
my
>>fingers crossed. And what about different cars? Will they drive
>>differently or all the same?

>[snip]

>The rep mentioned that the game has "improved" multi-player compared
>to GP2. He said that it would allow several people to play...no
>details on number of players, servers, serial cable links, or IPX
>play. Sorry, but that was all I could ply from him...perhaps I got a
>non GP3 Hasbro rep! Perhaps someone else got lucky with more info? I
>did have a conversation with someone from higher up in the company
>(Senior Producer - Microprose) but it was a bit one sided as I was
>trying to explain what kind of work I was involved in and when I
>started asking detailed questions he said that he couldn't hear me
>properly through all the noise and that I should call him back! He
>gave me his business card but I'm not sure that I'll be able to
>extract any further information from him!

>--
>Kulvinder Singh Matharu

>Website: http://www.matharu.demon.co.uk
>(note : e-mail header address deliberately mangled)

by **Ken Barr** » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Its bad enough having to listen to Murray when watching the GP's on
televison, and now that Martin Brundle is there, he spends most of
his time correcting him.
No, Murray DETRACTS from F1 now. He used to be tolerable, but now
he is just damned annoying.
Time to retire Murray......

Cheers.....Ken

by **Martin Nisshage** » Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Kulvinder Singh Matharu [n/a] -> rec.autos.sport.f1:

? >Well.... should be interesting to see since the FIA was very adamant about
? >NOT allowing Internet play of ANY official F1 Sim during the time Ubi was
? [snip]
?
? Official GP3 site says 4 player LAN support (what I sometimes
? incorrectly call IPX support). No talk of Internet play.

I hope it's TCP/IP for LAN at least (IPX sucks and should die ASAP IMO), but
I'm really amazed that they in this years release a game without good Internet
support. Shame on them if true (half the potential of the game will be lost)!

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

--
Martin Nisshagen PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC K R A F T W E R K :-)

d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se home2.sbbs2.com/mn home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

by **Ken Maso** » Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I can understand wanting internet play for some games but how on earth do
you expect to be able to run a real time racing simulation over the net when
the data transfer speed is so unreliable for most people. Please explain.

Ken M

by **Olav K. Malm** » Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> I can understand wanting internet play for some games but how on earth do
> you expect to be able to run a real time racing simulation over the net when
> the data transfer speed is so unreliable for most people. Please explain.

Well, It can race Grand Prix Legends online with 19 other people on my 28.8
modem with no problems. Of course that is on a high bandwith server. I've
hosted races on my modem with 3 other racers with no problems too.

That's a good enough explanation for me :)

And in modern F1 there is no side by side racing anyway, so warping won't be
a problem :P

--
Olav K. Malmin
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by **Augusto Baen** » Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> > I can understand wanting internet play for some games but how on earth do
> > you expect to be able to run a real time racing simulation over the net when
> > the data transfer speed is so unreliable for most people. Please explain.

The way to do it is predictive algorithms. For example, suppose one of the
drivers (A) is lagging at one moment (ie, his Inet conection is slow), then the
host 'drives' his machine in a logical way during some miliseconds. When A
machine recovers, the situation is updated according to real data (how A has been
driving from home). It can happen, though, that while A is driving isolated, he
spins, for example, and when the situation is updated there's a big change. The
rest of the drivers would see A already spun without having seen the actual
spinning. But in most situations, the differences between the prediction and
reality are small, thus unnoticeable.

The only problems are accidents and very close manouvres, like overtaking.
Obviously, if the server is very slow, the game might be unplayable (miracles
don't exist), but with medium-to-high speed servers it looks like if it were
better than it really is under a non-predictive algorithm in which you collect
all the data and one lagging computer stalls the whole game.

Regards

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I agree F1 wouldn't be the same without him, but I also agree he's well
past his sell by date. I'd love to see him doing, say, fill-in features
(visiting team bases/whatever) or maybe even doing the pit commentary, as
teams might be reluctant to tell him to *** off and stop asking daft
questions :-)

But it really is time to dish out the gold-plated carriage clock I'm
afraid.

Andrew McP

by **Richard G Cleg** » Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:00:00

:> No, Murray DETRACTS from F1 now. He used to be tolerable,
:> but now he is just damned annoying.

: I agree F1 wouldn't be the same without him, but I also agree he's well
: past his sell by date.

Andrew - I really think you should go back and watch some tapes of old
races. Murray has ALWAYS been like that. Some people love it
(including me) and some people don't. If he's past his sell by date
then he has been since 1970s where he was making the same mistakes with
the same frequency.

--
Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Ah, that explains it then. I didn't start taking an interest in F1 until
the late 80's, and it's only in recent years I've watched most of the
races.

Guess in my old age I'm just less tolerant of people who get paid well for
doing a job they love, yet constantly annoy me with their often loose grip
of their specialist subject :-)

I still agree it wouldn't be the same without him, but I think his thought
processes are best suited to live cricket commentary.

Andrew McP

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

HAHAHAHAAAAAAA!! Lovely comment, Andrew!!
I've had to tolerate Murray since the GPs were telecast here in Oz from 1980
and his comments back then were as irksome as they are today.
I really think that he should retire before ITV do it for him.

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by **Craig Jone** » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Re. Murray's commentary. I challenge anyone on this n/s to have more knowledge of F1 than Mr Walker. Its that simple. So he makes mistakes. Big deal. Has anyone here tried commentating in an entertaining and informaive way for 78 laps?

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by **Neil Rain** » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> Re. Murray's commentary. I challenge anyone on this n/s to have more knowledge of F1 than Mr Walker. Its that simple. So he makes mistakes. Big deal. Has anyone here tried commentating in an entertaining and informaive way for 78 laps?

Right - so it is pretty similar to cricket commentary after all - if
nothing much is happening, start talking about the pigeons that just
landed in the outfield etc.

Personally I think it worked better with James Hunt there to gently
correct Murray when he got it wrong...

by **Ian Parke** » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

DON'T FIRE MURRAY !!!!

IMHO, Murray has helped make F1 accessible to the mass market. Ok he makes a
few errors along the way but he is very enthusiastic about F1and it shows
through his commentary which makes him very "listenable" maybe a little
excitable.
It all adds together to make F1 races more enjoyable for the non-enthusiasts
and possibly convert them into enthusiasts.
Murray has said himself that he will know when he is unable to carry on
commentating and that time can't be far away due to his advancing years, but
if ITV force him to leave they will likely be doing themselves a disservice.
A viewer poll was carried out last year and the vote to keep Murray was IIRC
about 70%.
Who could take the place of Murray Walker ? :)

Ian Parker

> HAHAHAHAAAAAAA!! Lovely comment, Andrew!!
> I've had to tolerate Murray since the GPs were telecast here in Oz from
1980
> and his comments back then were as irksome as they are today.
> I really think that he should retire before ITV do it for him.

> > > If he's past his sell by date
> > > then he has been since 1970s

> > Ah, that explains it then. I didn't start taking an interest in F1 until
> > the late 80's, and it's only in recent years I've watched most of the
> > races.

> > Guess in my old age I'm just less tolerant of people who get paid well
for
> > doing a job they love, yet constantly annoy me with their often loose
grip
> > of their specialist subject :-)

> > I still agree it wouldn't be the same without him, but I think his
thought
> > processes are best suited to live cricket commentary.

> > Andrew McP

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I don't want him fired... just strategically singed.

A large wooden object would frequently be an improvement IMO. I'd suggest
James Hunt's coffin, but I suspect that'd be in poor taste.

Andrew McP

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