rec.autos.simulators

It seems to me that at its highest level it purports to offer a very good
physics model. After all it is based on the viper racing code. The people
working on it have a good pedigree.

The following is pasted from the interview :-

"Scott - I generally ask this of all our quests, so please forgive me if it
seems pass.  Almost all sim racers consider Grand Prix Legends by Papyrus
as the top level of sim realism to date.  Even though you can't compare a
Winston Cup car to a 1967 F1 car, how would you compare the physics engine
in NASCAR Heat (NH) to Grand Prix Legends?  Does it employ 6 degrees of
freedom?

Ed - NASCAR Heat's "Expert Mode" is the piece of Heat that's a peer with
GPL.  It's an ultra-realistic 3D racing engine, and what's best about it is
that it was built from the ground up as a NASCAR engine.   NASCAR is a very
unique form of racing - that's one of the big reasons that it has taken
Papyrus a long time to adapt the GPL engine to a NASCAR game.

A couple of really unique things (in relation to GPL) that Heat employs are
that all the cars - human and AI - are subject to the same physics model -
that makes for a very unique & "level" experience.  Also, the AI in Heat is
unlike anything else out there, again, to deliver that NASCAR racing (not
just driving) experience.

We also offer "Normal Mode" which can help to ease people into the game.  We
add a lot of help to the physics model & we dynamically adapt the AI
throughout the race to keep the player in the obligatory NASCAR pack.  This
may not be the mode that all the PowerSims reader start with, but I bet it's
a mode that will help evolve a bunch of other people up to the PowerSims
level!"

So lets not knock it until we see it - it looks to me as if they are aiming
at the sim community too.

Karl.

Yes: Viper Racing! It provides driving aids for arcade fans (but it isn't a
good arcade game).

  If you

Well, Viper's physics engine is at least at par with N3...

I trust in MGI. I think they will release a game with decent physics, with
"missions" that are more 'fun' than real life races (would you really want
to run 1 of those Formula 1 processions for 2 hours on your PC???).
For me there's nothing wrong with it, because when I want to do a 'real'
race, I can start N3...

CU
Zolli

Shane

You have forgotten Motorsims

http://www.motorsims.com/

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Viper's physics engine FAR EXCEEDS N3's physics engine, IMO.

I also trust MGI -- I think they're going to blow N4 out of the water.
The saving grace for Papy may be that they'll probably leave the game
architecture somewhat "accessible," which is how we have been able to
see new car shapes, tracks, etc., for older Papy sims.  If MGI learns
from this and makes Heat as accessible, then all bets could be off.

Just think if we could have had a car/track editor for Viper Racing . .
.

-- JB

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Before you buy.

Yes -- Viper Racing first, then SCGT, and now, NFSPU.  SCGT's not
really one of my favorites, but it definitely fits the arcade/sim genre
very well.

MGI was founded by former Papy people -- seems to me like like that
means they come pre-equipped with the necessary expertise.

You're forgetting Ratbag -- DTR was dead-on when it came to physics
modeling of the Late Models on dirt, and Sprints promises to be even
more realistic.  EA's latest effort with NFSPU shows that they are
definitely interested in the simulation aspect -- they already had the
arcade market cornered with NFS3/4, so the shift in focus with NFSPU
shows that they are not only interested but that they also understand
what needs to be done.

-- JB

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Too bad Falcon4 fell into the flight sim category and not the 'VERY serious
& committed to...' category. :(

MRSisson

Andre

On Mon, 8 May 2000 09:44:11 -0700, "Walk Walker"

IMO too, I was just a little shy...

CU
Zolli

Eldred
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Yes, but it is not wise business to alienate your paying customers by
dropping support of products and trying to sell half-done ***to
them.

Now, we have what we have, and frankly I find it borderline useless.

With TEN, there was incentive to at least _try_ to drive well, work on
the cars so you could win, and progress as a driver.  You were graded.
You were generally held accountable for your actions.

The current N3 multiplayer is nothing more than a warp-filled
demolition derby that provides no incentives and in no way rewards
those that work hard at improving.

The current vision of on-line racing with Nacar 3 is way too much
towards "so what, who cares, it's a game".

It wasn't like that on TEN.

Sorry, but that's the way I feel.

-Larry

On Sun, 07 May 2000 15:26:11 GMT, "Kevin Anderson"