Well, um.......yeah. :) Obviously you shouldn't be accelerating hard, you
have to make that ***y right hander without drifting out and up the
embankment on your left, but you should be mildly on the gas in third gear.
It'll really stabalize the car through the turn.
Actually, there kind of is. What you do is as the car pushes itself into the
face of the rise add just a touch of brake to transfer weight forward and
"plant" the car a bit more. Now, just BEFORE you hit the crest, give it a
bit of gas. This will unload the springs just BEFORE you hit the crest and
the car will tend to lift itself over the hill.
If you havn't done this you'll be amazed at how much you can smooth out
jumps and even small bumps. You can try it on your street car. For smaller
bumps, rather than hills, brake a bit on the flat before the bump, then gas
it lightly as you just reach the bump.
No, no. Don't hit the Flugplatz slowly. Hit it fast in fourth. Andreas is
doing it right. But remember you are going fast *uphill.* The car will slow
very quickly in a very short space.
See my post about "prejumping" later in the thread. This is essentially what
Andreas is doing. I use the brake and make my shift in the air, because I
find it lot smoother that way.
As you approach the take off point ease onto the brake. This will push the
car down on its springs and really plant it, slowing the car just the right
amount in only a few feet, then give it a bit of gas again JUST as you hit
take off point. The car will now unload the springs and sort of "float" over
the rise.
If you do this just right you'll still be going fast, you'll still get some
air, but you'll be amazed at how much more stable the whole affair is,
including the landing.
Now, to make the following right hander I think you'll find that patience is
a virtue. After the landing make sure you wait long enough to have the car
totally settled on it's springs. You might have to force yourself to do
this. The natural tendency is to see the turn rushing up at you and do
something about it RIGHT NOW! Resist this temptation.
Don't brake, you'll find that you've actually done most of your slowing
coming over the top of the rise, so you arn't really losing time braking
before the crest, * this is really your braking for the following turn*,
give it a bit of GAS as you turn in. This will transfer weight to the back
of the car and keep it from over rotating. Do this just right and the car
will drift out with just a touch of mild and very stable understeer.
Just after you don't quite clip the embankment, ( you didn't quite clip the
embankment did you? Tell me you didn't clip the embankment), give it the gas
and you're away at full clip.
I've reduced cars banging on my tailpipes to little dots in my mirrors by
doing it this way. Give it a try.
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The important part, as with any track, is how quickly you get from the
preceding to the following corner, not the speed through that
individual point.
Cheers!
John
Small physics lesson first. After taking off into the air, if you
plant the gas and increase your revs, the back end of the car will
drop. If you let off the gas and drop the revs, the nose of the car
will drop.
I've found that the key (for me anyway) to a smooth landing is to make
sure you increase your reves just a touch in the air so that you drop
the back end of the car and land the rear wheels first. Have you ever
tried to balance a stick vertically in the palm of your hand? Hard.
It keeps trying to fall over. If you land your front wheels first
you're doing close to the same thing. The front wheels touch down and
the back end of the car tries to rotate around them leaving you
completely crossed up for the following turn unless you land EXACTLY
straight. If you land the rear wheels first you avoid this whole ugly
mess as the back end is pulled into line with your direction of travel
before the fronts ever hit. The end result is that the car stays nice
and stable after landing.
-Chris-
Long, long, LOOOONG ago: 1984 GPz 750
Long, long ago: 1989 ZX-10
Only a little long ago: 1992 ZX-7
Darn near yesterday: 1998 ZX-9
Currently riding: 2000 CBR929RR
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I guess that depends on who "we" is, dosn't it? In an interview with Senna
after a rain race Nigel Roebuck asked him, " Do you run a gear up in the
rain like Stewart advocates?"
Senna replied, " Dosn't everybody?"
And as Nigel noted, thinking about all the wheel spinning and sliding he had
seen going on in that race, No, not everybody does.
For my part, I neither "jam" on the brakes or the gas in this manuver. Only
mild pressure. And I don't wait for the REAR wheels to hit the hump. That
would be counter to the whole idea.
You apply the gas as the FRONT wheels hit the hump, making the front lift
over the hump, and making the car attitude and weight distribution more
evenly match the angle of the hump. You then LIFT the gas as the fronts
clear the hump and the car returns to a more level attitude aiding stability
on coming down on the other side.
For off roaders this is, of course, basic technique. It's about the first
thing you learn to do. I accomplish much the same thing at the Flugplatz by
making my downshift while in the air. The trick is to get the revs up enough
to take the load off the *** when you land as well. You don't want to
get a "jerk" as the wheels try to speed up the engine.
I've always been letting off the gas over that jump, because I'm *already*
going too fast...
I'll have to try that this weekend...
Eldred
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>> > You're SUPPOSED to be on the gas???
>> > Eldred
>> Small physics lesson first. After taking off into the air, if you
>> plant the gas and increase your revs, the back end of the car will
>> drop. If you let off the gas and drop the revs, the nose of the car
>> will drop.
>For off roaders this is, of course, basic technique. It's about the first
>thing you learn to do. I accomplish much the same thing at the Flugplatz by
>making my downshift while in the air. The trick is to get the revs up enough
>to take the load off the *** when you land as well. You don't want to
>get a "jerk" as the wheels try to speed up the engine.
Eldred
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Now *this* I do all the time. But, I don't get me real car airborne very
often<g>, so I never made the connection...
Eldred
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We'll be seeing PLENTY of that when the JTRC comes out!!! =)
Kirk Lane
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> Eldred
