> > Brave? What's bravery got to do with it? IMO, GTR2002 is weak.
> Noted....what products are superior to N2k3(Papyrus) and the GTR mod at
> this time?
> I'm not trying to be pissy..I'm trying to find out what you think are good
> sims...
> dave henrie
OK thanks.
dh
--
Joe M.
> > > but that isn't saying much to me. Anyways, don't get all pissy. It's
> > just
> > > one guys .2 cents which is all anything is worth on usenet.
> > So your argument isn't even worth 2 cents? ;)
> > You don't like road racing so GTR 2002 is weak. Riiight. I hate oval
> > racing with a passion but I still think N2003 is a good sim - just not
one
> > I'm interested in.
Larry
I don't care much for the 'other' sounds.
Larry
> > >> "Joe M." Much ado about nothing with that
> > >> >> mod.
> > >> Yes it is a mod with weaknesses, and yes Nr2k3 is not 100%
> > >> serious.
> > > But
> > >> what would you recomend in place of these?
> > >> dave henrie
> > > You're replying to the wrong guy Dave. I love GTR 2002, I was just
> > > being my sarcastic self.
> > > --
> > > Joe M.
> > Sorry Joe.
> > I was hopin Kevin was smart enough to keep reading through a thread
and
> > brave enough to give us his opinion. I am interested in what sim he
feels
> > is NOT an arcade product.
> > dave henrie
Again, the vast majority of sim fans will disagree with you. 'Take a closer
look' as they say.
> I don't care much for the 'other' sounds.
> Larry
> > Brave? What's bravery got to do with it? IMO, GTR2002 is weak. There
> was
> > a thread that was talking about the sound being very different with
> > different soundcards and perhaps that's a factor. The sound on my
Theatre
> > XP is horrible. Having said that, it seems Papy hasn't perfected their
> > hissing problem with N2003 either but the sound is still pretty good if
> you
> > overlook that. In answer to your question about which are not arcade
> games.
> > None of them. But the closest thing in my mind to making me dissolve
into
> > the game has been the nascar series. GPL was excellent as well but I am
a
> > round track guy and my bias lies there, without apology. I just have
> never
> > got the GTR2002 thing. Ran it for about a week after hearing folks go
on
> > and on about it, really trying to see what the hype was about and never
> got
> > it. It has nothing to do with bravery man. This is all opinion and I
> sure
> > as hell don't live in this newsgroup. I am posting the first time I
have
> a
> > chance after seeing replies to my post. To each his own and knock
> yourself
> > out there Joe. Frankly I don't think it's such a substandard add-on
really
> > if you judge the add-on by the original game. It improves on the
original
> > but that isn't saying much to me. Anyways, don't get all pissy. It's
> just
> > one guys .2 cents which is all anything is worth on usenet.
> > > >> "Joe M." Much ado about nothing with that
> > > >> >> mod.
> > > >> Yes it is a mod with weaknesses, and yes Nr2k3 is not 100%
> > > >> serious.
> > > > But
> > > >> what would you recomend in place of these?
> > > >> dave henrie
> > > > You're replying to the wrong guy Dave. I love GTR 2002, I was just
> > > > being my sarcastic self.
> > > > --
> > > > Joe M.
> > > Sorry Joe.
> > > I was hopin Kevin was smart enough to keep reading through a thread
> and
> > > brave enough to give us his opinion. I am interested in what sim he
> feels
> > > is NOT an arcade product.
> > > dave henrie
To me, it's just 'ok' and without the GTR mod I'd probably not have it on my
drive any more.
Larry
Larry
> > That 'hissing' noise might be wind. Knock the "Other Sounds" setting
down
> > to 10 or so and see if it's any different.
> > I don't care much for the 'other' sounds.
> > Larry
> > > Brave? What's bravery got to do with it? IMO, GTR2002 is weak.
There
> > was
> > > a thread that was talking about the sound being very different with
> > > different soundcards and perhaps that's a factor. The sound on my
> Theatre
> > > XP is horrible. Having said that, it seems Papy hasn't perfected
their
> > > hissing problem with N2003 either but the sound is still pretty good
if
> > you
> > > overlook that. In answer to your question about which are not arcade
> > games.
> > > None of them. But the closest thing in my mind to making me dissolve
> into
> > > the game has been the nascar series. GPL was excellent as well but I
am
> a
> > > round track guy and my bias lies there, without apology. I just have
> > never
> > > got the GTR2002 thing. Ran it for about a week after hearing folks go
> on
> > > and on about it, really trying to see what the hype was about and
never
> > got
> > > it. It has nothing to do with bravery man. This is all opinion and
I
> > sure
> > > as hell don't live in this newsgroup. I am posting the first time I
> have
> > a
> > > chance after seeing replies to my post. To each his own and knock
> > yourself
> > > out there Joe. Frankly I don't think it's such a substandard add-on
> really
> > > if you judge the add-on by the original game. It improves on the
> original
> > > but that isn't saying much to me. Anyways, don't get all pissy. It's
> > just
> > > one guys .2 cents which is all anything is worth on usenet.
> > > > >> "Joe M." Much ado about nothing with that
> > > > >> >> mod.
> > > > >> Yes it is a mod with weaknesses, and yes Nr2k3 is not 100%
> > > > >> serious.
> > > > > But
> > > > >> what would you recomend in place of these?
> > > > >> dave henrie
> > > > > You're replying to the wrong guy Dave. I love GTR 2002, I was
just
> > > > > being my sarcastic self.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Joe M.
> > > > Sorry Joe.
> > > > I was hopin Kevin was smart enough to keep reading through a
thread
> > and
> > > > brave enough to give us his opinion. I am interested in what sim he
> > feels
> > > > is NOT an arcade product.
> > > > dave henrie
> Larry
> > actually its more like a LP popping on the turntable than hissing. Same
> > sound n2202 made, even after the patch. Just one of those things. I can
> > live with it but it isn't a configurable fix from what I can tell.
> > > That 'hissing' noise might be wind. Knock the "Other Sounds" setting
> down
> > > to 10 or so and see if it's any different.
> > > I don't care much for the 'other' sounds.
> > > Larry
> > > > Brave? What's bravery got to do with it? IMO, GTR2002 is weak.
> There
> > > was
> > > > a thread that was talking about the sound being very different with
> > > > different soundcards and perhaps that's a factor. The sound on my
> > Theatre
> > > > XP is horrible. Having said that, it seems Papy hasn't perfected
> their
> > > > hissing problem with N2003 either but the sound is still pretty good
> if
> > > you
> > > > overlook that. In answer to your question about which are not
arcade
> > > games.
> > > > None of them. But the closest thing in my mind to making me
dissolve
> > into
> > > > the game has been the nascar series. GPL was excellent as well but
I
> am
> > a
> > > > round track guy and my bias lies there, without apology. I just
have
> > > never
> > > > got the GTR2002 thing. Ran it for about a week after hearing folks
go
> > on
> > > > and on about it, really trying to see what the hype was about and
> never
> > > got
> > > > it. It has nothing to do with bravery man. This is all opinion and
> I
> > > sure
> > > > as hell don't live in this newsgroup. I am posting the first time I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > chance after seeing replies to my post. To each his own and knock
> > > yourself
> > > > out there Joe. Frankly I don't think it's such a substandard add-on
> > really
> > > > if you judge the add-on by the original game. It improves on the
> > original
> > > > but that isn't saying much to me. Anyways, don't get all pissy.
It's
> > > just
> > > > one guys .2 cents which is all anything is worth on usenet.
> > > > > >> "Joe M." Much ado about nothing with that
> > > > > >> >> mod.
> > > > > >> Yes it is a mod with weaknesses, and yes Nr2k3 is not 100%
> > > > > >> serious.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > >> what would you recomend in place of these?
> > > > > >> dave henrie
> > > > > > You're replying to the wrong guy Dave. I love GTR 2002, I was
> just
> > > > > > being my sarcastic self.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Joe M.
> > > > > Sorry Joe.
> > > > > I was hopin Kevin was smart enough to keep reading through a
> thread
> > > and
> > > > > brave enough to give us his opinion. I am interested in what sim
he
> > > feels
> > > > > is NOT an arcade product.
> > > > > dave henrie
I'm with ya. I wouldn't have F1 installed if it weren't for the mod, but
even with it, after giving it a fair chance, the gtr executable still
doesn't get punched very often. Slightly better than average auto sim.
> To me, it's just 'ok' and without the GTR mod I'd probably not have it on
my
> drive any more.
> Larry
> > > It's "ok". Doesn't feel like anything special to me. It still feels
> like
> > > the pivot point for the cars is halfway between the***pit and the
> front
> > > tires.
> > Again, the vast majority of sim fans will disagree with you. 'Take a
> closer
> > look' as they say.
Nacar2k is simulating a full on race car,while LFS at the moment is
simulating 200 road cars.
They are far more docile so they will feel more mundane and there is less
SCOPE for the games phsyics to show.
Wait until we see some different and more powerful cars for LFS before a
comparison
> I'm with ya. I wouldn't have F1 installed if it weren't for the mod, but
> even with it, after giving it a fair chance, the gtr executable still
> doesn't get punched very often. Slightly better than average auto sim.
> > I don't need to take a closer look. I run it all the time and I know
how
> it
> > feels to ME. That doesn't mean it feels the same to you, or that it
> matters
> > in the least.
> > To me, it's just 'ok' and without the GTR mod I'd probably not have it
on
> my
> > drive any more.
> > Larry
> > > > It's "ok". Doesn't feel like anything special to me. It still
feels
> > like
> > > > the pivot point for the cars is halfway between the***pit and the
> > front
> > > > tires.
> > > Again, the vast majority of sim fans will disagree with you. 'Take a
> > closer
> > > look' as they say.
The GTXP has the same basic reference design and chipset as my Turtle Beach
Santa Cruz, and I don't have those issues. The only time I ever did was
with those blasted Live! cards.
Maybe Hercules doesn't have the drivers quite right yet.
Larry
> > I suspect you are running a Live! card or Audigy, right?
> > Larry
> > > actually its more like a LP popping on the turntable than hissing.
Same
> > > sound n2202 made, even after the patch. Just one of those things. I
can
> > > live with it but it isn't a configurable fix from what I can tell.
> > > > That 'hissing' noise might be wind. Knock the "Other Sounds"
setting
> > down
> > > > to 10 or so and see if it's any different.
> > > > I don't care much for the 'other' sounds.
> > > > Larry
> > > > > Brave? What's bravery got to do with it? IMO, GTR2002 is weak.
> > There
> > > > was
> > > > > a thread that was talking about the sound being very different
with
> > > > > different soundcards and perhaps that's a factor. The sound on my
> > > Theatre
> > > > > XP is horrible. Having said that, it seems Papy hasn't perfected
> > their
> > > > > hissing problem with N2003 either but the sound is still pretty
good
> > if
> > > > you
> > > > > overlook that. In answer to your question about which are not
> arcade
> > > > games.
> > > > > None of them. But the closest thing in my mind to making me
> dissolve
> > > into
> > > > > the game has been the nascar series. GPL was excellent as well
but
> I
> > am
> > > a
> > > > > round track guy and my bias lies there, without apology. I just
> have
> > > > never
> > > > > got the GTR2002 thing. Ran it for about a week after hearing
folks
> go
> > > on
> > > > > and on about it, really trying to see what the hype was about and
> > never
> > > > got
> > > > > it. It has nothing to do with bravery man. This is all opinion
and
> > I
> > > > sure
> > > > > as hell don't live in this newsgroup. I am posting the first time
I
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > chance after seeing replies to my post. To each his own and knock
> > > > yourself
> > > > > out there Joe. Frankly I don't think it's such a substandard
add-on
> > > really
> > > > > if you judge the add-on by the original game. It improves on the
> > > original
> > > > > but that isn't saying much to me. Anyways, don't get all pissy.
> It's
> > > > just
> > > > > one guys .2 cents which is all anything is worth on usenet.
> > > > > > >> "Joe M." Much ado about nothing with that
> > > > > > >> >> mod.
> > > > > > >> Yes it is a mod with weaknesses, and yes Nr2k3 is not 100%
> > > > > > >> serious.
> > > > > > > But
> > > > > > >> what would you recomend in place of these?
> > > > > > >> dave henrie
> > > > > > > You're replying to the wrong guy Dave. I love GTR 2002, I was
> > just
> > > > > > > being my sarcastic self.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Joe M.
> > > > > > Sorry Joe.
> > > > > > I was hopin Kevin was smart enough to keep reading through a
> > thread
> > > > and
> > > > > > brave enough to give us his opinion. I am interested in what
sim
> he
> > > > feels
> > > > > > is NOT an arcade product.
> > > > > > dave henrie
--
Joe M.
> The GTXP has the same basic reference design and chipset as my Turtle
Beach
> Santa Cruz, and I don't have those issues. The only time I ever did was
> with those blasted Live! cards.
> Maybe Hercules doesn't have the drivers quite right yet.
> Larry
> > Hercules Theatre XP
> > > I suspect you are running a Live! card or Audigy, right?
> > > Larry
> > > > actually its more like a LP popping on the turntable than hissing.
> Same
> > > > sound n2202 made, even after the patch. Just one of those things. I
> can
> > > > live with it but it isn't a configurable fix from what I can tell.
> > > > > That 'hissing' noise might be wind. Knock the "Other Sounds"
> setting
> > > down
> > > > > to 10 or so and see if it's any different.
> > > > > I don't care much for the 'other' sounds.
> > > > > Larry
> > > > > > Brave? What's bravery got to do with it? IMO, GTR2002 is weak.
> > > There
> > > > > was
> > > > > > a thread that was talking about the sound being very different
> with
> > > > > > different soundcards and perhaps that's a factor. The sound on
my
> > > > Theatre
> > > > > > XP is horrible. Having said that, it seems Papy hasn't
perfected
> > > their
> > > > > > hissing problem with N2003 either but the sound is still pretty
> good
> > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > overlook that. In answer to your question about which are not
> > arcade
> > > > > games.
> > > > > > None of them. But the closest thing in my mind to making me
> > dissolve
> > > > into
> > > > > > the game has been the nascar series. GPL was excellent as well
> but
> > I
> > > am
> > > > a
> > > > > > round track guy and my bias lies there, without apology. I just
> > have
> > > > > never
> > > > > > got the GTR2002 thing. Ran it for about a week after hearing
> folks
> > go
> > > > on
> > > > > > and on about it, really trying to see what the hype was about
and
> > > never
> > > > > got
> > > > > > it. It has nothing to do with bravery man. This is all opinion
> and
> > > I
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > as hell don't live in this newsgroup. I am posting the first
time
> I
> > > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > chance after seeing replies to my post. To each his own and
knock
> > > > > yourself
> > > > > > out there Joe. Frankly I don't think it's such a substandard
> add-on
> > > > really
> > > > > > if you judge the add-on by the original game. It improves on
the
> > > > original
> > > > > > but that isn't saying much to me. Anyways, don't get all pissy.
> > It's
> > > > > just
> > > > > > one guys .2 cents which is all anything is worth on usenet.
> > > > > > > >> "Joe M." Much ado about nothing with that
> > > > > > > >> >> mod.
> > > > > > > >> Yes it is a mod with weaknesses, and yes Nr2k3 is not
100%
> > > > > > > >> serious.
> > > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > >> what would you recomend in place of these?
> > > > > > > >> dave henrie
> > > > > > > > You're replying to the wrong guy Dave. I love GTR 2002, I
was
> > > just
> > > > > > > > being my sarcastic self.
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Joe M.
> > > > > > > Sorry Joe.
> > > > > > > I was hopin Kevin was smart enough to keep reading through
a
> > > thread
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > brave enough to give us his opinion. I am interested in what
> sim
> > he
> > > > > feels
> > > > > > > is NOT an arcade product.
> > > > > > > dave henrie
