rec.autos.simulators

by **Andre Warring** » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:23:16

On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 03:16:53 +0200, "Jan Verschueren"

>I'm missing several messages in this thread (most of 'm Andre's, oddly
>enough), but I would like to know too. Maybe my V3 is antiquated and
>therefore I have no real problem with the graphic and texture corruption
>issues. Yet I would not call at PIII running at 866Mhz "underspec'd" in
>today's computer market. Andre has a GF2 to complement his... harldy
>antiquated equipment IMO.

I'll also mail you this in case you won't receive this message, but
Rally X runs very smooth on my 866 gf2 in 1280res 32bit.

Andre

by **Ed Solhei** » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:08:12

Funny you say that....

My system specs:
Athlon 1.33ghz 266fsb
384mb PC133 Ram
64 mb GF2 PRO.
MS FFB-wheel (no feedback in the demo tho)

*And* I'm still having probs in most corners - the whole thing is
"stuttering" like hell.

Best settings for me is 800x600x16, Mipmap at 0.00, Farplane at 600, no
boxes checked.

Yes, fun factor is high - but the rest is pretty lame - Imho.

--
ed_

> Actually ---I like this demo and am having fun with it.
> Maybe it runs better on a fast system. I have seen many posts regarding
> awful frame rates and I have had no probs. My system is an AMD Athlon
1.2ghz
> with 512 megs pc 133 and a GF2 GTS 64 meg. Maybe thats the difference.
Time
> to upgrade those PIII 450's and V3's out there.

> > >What an awful demo though!!

> > >How on earth could anyone dare to realese such a [----] product is
beyond
> > >me!

> > Hell, this is only a demo.. they released the even worse Paris-Dakar
> > game as the final version..

> > Andre

by **Andre Warring** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 04:50:52

On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 03:16:53 +0200, "Jan Verschueren"

>Anywhow, for you nor Doug there was no indication of the game first under
>and then overreacting to your inputs?? Where did you download the demo and
>how big was the file? -I got mine from FilePlanet at 45Mb.

I just gave it another try again, the problem is that there is a MAJOR
deadzone, and if you go over the deadzone, the control overreact
majorly. Looks like this game, or the demo at least, was made for
digital devices, not analogue devices.
With the keyboard the car is much more controllable, but driving with
a keyboard is silly :)

Andre

by **Andre Warring** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 05:13:52

I just did some testing, trying to get rid of the deadzone with CTFJ.
Well.. I got rid of the deadzone, but unfortunately it ain't the cause
of the problem. No matter what amount of 'gain' I tried in CTFJ, the
car remains uncontrolable.
Even in 1st gear I'm having an extremely hard time trying to keep the
car on the road. When I enter a corner, I have to steer extremely
carefull or the car will go into a spin. The problem gets worse when I
try to steer straight again after the corner, because the car
immediately snaps to the other side, no matter at what speed I drive
or the amount of my steering input.
Hard to describe it for me, but it feels like I'm totally drunk while
driving the car.
Enough time spend on this crap, time to delete.

Andre

by **Doug Hoo** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:29:14

I got it from 3dfiles.com it was 45 megs and there is no FF in it.

by **Doug Hoo** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:34:51

Cant really explain the difference. I don't wan't to give the wrong
impression. The demo is not liquid smooth on my system but it is acceptable
to the point of being playable.

> Funny you say that....

> My system specs:
> Athlon 1.33ghz 266fsb
> 384mb PC133 Ram
> 64 mb GF2 PRO.
> MS FFB-wheel (no feedback in the demo tho)

> *And* I'm still having probs in most corners - the whole thing is
> "stuttering" like hell.

> Best settings for me is 800x600x16, Mipmap at 0.00, Farplane at 600, no
> boxes checked.

> Yes, fun factor is high - but the rest is pretty lame - Imho.

> --
> ed_

> > Actually ---I like this demo and am having fun with it.
> > Maybe it runs better on a fast system. I have seen many posts regarding
> > awful frame rates and I have had no probs. My system is an AMD Athlon
> 1.2ghz
> > with 512 megs pc 133 and a GF2 GTS 64 meg. Maybe thats the difference.
> Time
> > to upgrade those PIII 450's and V3's out there.

> > > >What an awful demo though!!

> > > >How on earth could anyone dare to realese such a [----] product is
> beyond
> > > >me!

> > > Hell, this is only a demo.. they released the even worse Paris-Dakar
> > > game as the final version..

> > > Andre

by **Tony Whitle** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 06:34:55

My PC spec is similar and I have a very low fps. A waste of electrons I
reckon.

--

Tony Whitley
GPLRank -0.54
MonsterRank 407 and falling...
"On some laps I'd get as many as fif*** corners really right, but Moss, he
gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.

- Show quoted text -

> > Actually ---I like this demo and am having fun with it.
> > Maybe it runs better on a fast system. I have seen many posts regarding
> > awful frame rates and I have had no probs. My system is an AMD Athlon
> 1.2ghz
> > with 512 megs pc 133 and a GF2 GTS 64 meg. Maybe thats the difference.
> Time
> > to upgrade those PIII 450's and V3's out there.

> > > >What an awful demo though!!

> > > >How on earth could anyone dare to realese such a [----] product is
> beyond
> > > >me!

> > > Hell, this is only a demo.. they released the even worse Paris-Dakar
> > > game as the final version..

> > > Andre

by **Alex Kihuran** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:00:33

I have absolutely no problem with it Andre and run consistant 3:04's with a
pb of a 3:01 :) I think your just getting old ;)

Thanks,
Alex

by **Ed Solhei** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:37:14

What kind of wheel do you use Doug?

And does it sort of "stutter" when you turn? (the screen that is)

--
ed_

"Doug Hook" said:

> Cant really explain the difference. I don't wan't to give the wrong
> impression. The demo is not liquid smooth on my system but it is
acceptable
> to the point of being playable.

> > Funny you say that....

> > My system specs:
> > Athlon 1.33ghz 266fsb
> > 384mb PC133 Ram
> > 64 mb GF2 PRO.
> > MS FFB-wheel (no feedback in the demo tho)

> > *And* I'm still having probs in most corners - the whole thing is
> > "stuttering" like hell.

> > Best settings for me is 800x600x16, Mipmap at 0.00, Farplane at 600, no
> > boxes checked.

> > Yes, fun factor is high - but the rest is pretty lame - Imho.

> > --
> > ed_

> > > Actually ---I like this demo and am having fun with it.
> > > Maybe it runs better on a fast system. I have seen many posts
regarding
> > > awful frame rates and I have had no probs. My system is an AMD Athlon
> > 1.2ghz
> > > with 512 megs pc 133 and a GF2 GTS 64 meg. Maybe thats the difference.
> > Time
> > > to upgrade those PIII 450's and V3's out there.

> > > > On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:53:58 +0200, "Ed Solheim"

- Show quoted text -

> > > > >What an awful demo though!!

> > > > >How on earth could anyone dare to realese such a [----] product is
> > beyond
> > > > >me!

> > > > Hell, this is only a demo.. they released the even worse Paris-Dakar
> > > > game as the final version..

> > > > Andre

by **Doug Hoo** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:43:51

ED
I have the MSFF gameport version (not USB) wheel and yes , I do get a
slight stutter when turning fast. The driving view you use also makes a
difference. If I use either of the 2***pit views then it stutters more. I
drive using the hood cam and that one seems the smoothest.

> What kind of wheel do you use Doug?

> And does it sort of "stutter" when you turn? (the screen that is)

> --
> ed_

> "Doug Hook" said:
> > Cant really explain the difference. I don't wan't to give the wrong
> > impression. The demo is not liquid smooth on my system but it is
> acceptable
> > to the point of being playable.

> > > Funny you say that....

> > > My system specs:
> > > Athlon 1.33ghz 266fsb
> > > 384mb PC133 Ram
> > > 64 mb GF2 PRO.
> > > MS FFB-wheel (no feedback in the demo tho)

> > > *And* I'm still having probs in most corners - the whole thing is
> > > "stuttering" like hell.

> > > Best settings for me is 800x600x16, Mipmap at 0.00, Farplane at 600,
no
> > > boxes checked.

> > > Yes, fun factor is high - but the rest is pretty lame - Imho.

> > > --
> > > ed_

> > > > Actually ---I like this demo and am having fun with it.
> > > > Maybe it runs better on a fast system. I have seen many posts
> regarding
> > > > awful frame rates and I have had no probs. My system is an AMD
Athlon
> > > 1.2ghz
> > > > with 512 megs pc 133 and a GF2 GTS 64 meg. Maybe thats the
difference.
> > > Time
> > > > to upgrade those PIII 450's and V3's out there.

> > > > > On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:53:58 +0200, "Ed Solheim"

> > > > > >What an awful demo though!!

> > > > > >How on earth could anyone dare to realese such a [----] product
is
> > > beyond
> > > > > >me!

> > > > > Hell, this is only a demo.. they released the even worse
Paris-Dakar
> > > > > game as the final version..

> > > > > Andre

by **Ed Solhei** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:37:24

"Doug Hook" admits to:

Ahh!! That explains it........ - CHEATER!!
<vbg!>

LOL!

--
ed_

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 01:42:08

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:00:33 GMT, "Alex Kihurani"

>I have absolutely no problem with it Andre and run consistant 3:04's with a
>pb of a 3:01 :) I think your just getting old ;)

Thank you Alex :))
No, seriously, it's not 'hard' to control, it's impossible to control.
The problem seems to be wheel-dependent then.. I have a LWFF (older
type) as does Jan I believe, who also experiences the same problems.
Really, control in all other racing sims is as it should be, except in
this demo.

Getting old.. jeez!

Andre

>Thanks,
>Alex

>> I just did some testing, trying to get rid of the deadzone with CTFJ.
>> Well.. I got rid of the deadzone, but unfortunately it ain't the cause
>> of the problem. No matter what amount of 'gain' I tried in CTFJ, the
>> car remains uncontrolable.
>> Even in 1st gear I'm having an extremely hard time trying to keep the
>> car on the road. When I enter a corner, I have to steer extremely
>> carefull or the car will go into a spin. The problem gets worse when I
>> try to steer straight again after the corner, because the car
>> immediately snaps to the other side, no matter at what speed I drive
>> or the amount of my steering input.
>> Hard to describe it for me, but it feels like I'm totally drunk while
>> driving the car.
>> Enough time spend on this crap, time to delete.

>> Andre

by **Alex Kihuran** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 06:59:58

I'd admit it's difficult and if your not paying attention it will to an
ultra exaggerated pendulum to and throw you in a ditch because of the large
deadzone, and then once your out of the deadzone, extreme responsiveness.
Just have to be smooth and not slide the car too much :)

Thanks,
Alex

> On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:00:33 GMT, "Alex Kihurani"

> >I have absolutely no problem with it Andre and run consistant 3:04's with
a
> >pb of a 3:01 :) I think your just getting old ;)

> Thank you Alex :))
> No, seriously, it's not 'hard' to control, it's impossible to control.
> The problem seems to be wheel-dependent then.. I have a LWFF (older
> type) as does Jan I believe, who also experiences the same problems.
> Really, control in all other racing sims is as it should be, except in
> this demo.

> Getting old.. jeez!

> Andre

> >Thanks,
> >Alex

> >> I just did some testing, trying to get rid of the deadzone with CTFJ.
> >> Well.. I got rid of the deadzone, but unfortunately it ain't the cause
> >> of the problem. No matter what amount of 'gain' I tried in CTFJ, the
> >> car remains uncontrolable.
> >> Even in 1st gear I'm having an extremely hard time trying to keep the
> >> car on the road. When I enter a corner, I have to steer extremely
> >> carefull or the car will go into a spin. The problem gets worse when I
> >> try to steer straight again after the corner, because the car
> >> immediately snaps to the other side, no matter at what speed I drive
> >> or the amount of my steering input.
> >> Hard to describe it for me, but it feels like I'm totally drunk while
> >> driving the car.
> >> Enough time spend on this crap, time to delete.

> >> Andre

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:32:45

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:59:58 GMT, "Alex Kihurani"

>I'd admit it's difficult and if your not paying attention it will to an
>ultra exaggerated pendulum to and throw you in a ditch because of the large
>deadzone, and then once your out of the deadzone, extreme responsiveness.
>Just have to be smooth and not slide the car too much :)

>Thanks,
>Alex

No, it's not my driving, it's the damn steering!! :)

Andre

by **Doug Hoo** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 21:54:24

If you think about the view you get while driving a real car isn't the hood
view ,where all you see is the hood of the car in front of you, the most
realistic one? I dont want to see a wheel and another pair of hands in front
of me.

And before you ask---no I don't drive GPL in F10 view.

:-)

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