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by **Gregor Vebl** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:37:00

That is probably true considering the driving style of the drivers of
the era.

Now, if you take the driving style of many a GPL driver, those tyres
would require at least two changes per race ;).

-Gregor

> I may be wrong... but isn't this in part due to the durability of GPL-era
> tires? I understand that one set of tires could last a *very* long time
> compared to modern ones so wouldn't tire-wear be an unnecessary thing to
> model in detail for GPL?

by **Haqsa** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:15:33

Perhaps he means we should be shocked by what lumbering dinosaurs
Winston Cup cars are in comparison to any decent road car.

by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:18:51

> Perhaps to root out this rumour (if a post can do that); it seems that
> GPL didn't do that shitty after all. According to Dave Kaemmer it did
> very well, but Nascar does better, and Sierra determines what is to be
> done. So Nascar it is. In other words, a GPL2 might not be impossible,
> but unlikely while the Nascar series do much better.

That does it. I propose a boycott of all future Papy NASCAR titles
until we get GPL2/Cart! :-p

--

Fester

by **Ruud van Ga** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:03:44

>> Perhaps to root out this rumour (if a post can do that); it seems that
>> GPL didn't do that shitty after all. According to Dave Kaemmer it did
>> very well, but Nascar does better,

>do you have any clue what "very well" means?

It means they made money off of it, unlike the idea that GPL2 will
never get here because it would COST money.

Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:04:09

>> Anyway - while you're waiting for WSC - go play N4 and learn what a tyre
>> model is. Those who've played GPL for a few years should get a shock round
>> the road courses.

>HAHAHAHA!!
>Your funny!
>:)

His funny WHAT? :-)

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by **Ruud van Ga** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:06:53

On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:54:58 GMT, "Simon Brown"

>Are you sure about that? I've read an interview with DK where he expressed
>real dissapointment with GPL sales. I'll dig up the link if anyone want to
>read it for themselves.

The link would be good to read, and perhaps he was disappointed, but
this may not mean that it actually did bad financially. I heard this
from Chris West, who talked to Dave directly. Seems like it isn't
bullsh*t, or perhaps Dave was just giving Chris a nice push not to be
afraid of WSC being too simmy and not making any money. :-)

Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

by **Schlom** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:41:20

Actually...GPL has tires AND tyres. The Goodyears are "tires" and the
Firestones (or Dunlops if you have that patch) are "tyres". My big question
though is, is it gasoline or petrol in those tanks? :)

Chris--who just felt like confusing matters further

by **nobodyspecia** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 04:27:36

lol! In my case, it would require a complete new front end and a
replacement driver as I'm carried off in an ambulance. :-/

by **nobodyspecia** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 04:29:07

At Watkins Glen it's gasoline- everywhere else it's petrol. :-)

by **Haqsa** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 04:47:24

I was just recently going through some old magazines and found the PC
Gamer review of GPL. They only gave it 70%, and their primary criticism
was the steepness of the learning curve due to the lack of an optional
simplified driving model and the inability to adjust the AI difficulty.
Those are fair criticisms and they are probably the reason the game did
not do well. Papy obviously learned it's lesson since N4 now addresses
all of those shortcomings. Hopefully the West Brothers will also apply
that lesson to WSC. I certainly want WSC to have a great driving model,
but I also want to see it succeed, so I hope they give people an arcade
mode as an option.

> On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:54:58 GMT, "Simon Brown"

> >Are you sure about that? I've read an interview with DK where he
expressed
> >real dissapointment with GPL sales. I'll dig up the link if anyone
want to
> >read it for themselves.

> The link would be good to read, and perhaps he was disappointed, but
> this may not mean that it actually did bad financially. I heard this
> from Chris West, who talked to Dave directly. Seems like it isn't
> bullsh*t, or perhaps Dave was just giving Chris a nice push not to be
> afraid of WSC being too simmy and not making any money. :-)

> Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
> Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
> Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

by **Olav K. Malm** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 06:24:34

> I was just recently going through some old magazines and found the PC
> Gamer review of GPL. They only gave it 70%, and their primary criticism
> was the steepness of the learning curve due to the lack of an optional
> simplified driving model and the inability to adjust the AI difficulty.
> Those are fair criticisms and they are probably the reason the game did
> not do well. Papy obviously learned it's lesson since N4 now addresses
> all of those shortcomings. Hopefully the West Brothers will also apply
> that lesson to WSC. I certainly want WSC to have a great driving model,
> but I also want to see it succeed, so I hope they give people an arcade
> mode as an option.

But PC Gamer UK gave GPL 92% and a game of the month stamp. :)

> > On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:54:58 GMT, "Simon Brown"

> > >Are you sure about that? I've read an interview with DK where he
> expressed
> > >real dissapointment with GPL sales. I'll dig up the link if anyone
> want to
> > >read it for themselves.

> > The link would be good to read, and perhaps he was disappointed, but
> > this may not mean that it actually did bad financially. I heard this
> > from Chris West, who talked to Dave directly. Seems like it isn't
> > bullsh*t, or perhaps Dave was just giving Chris a nice push not to be
> > afraid of WSC being too simmy and not making any money. :-)

> > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
> > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
> > Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

by **David Er** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 07:05:31

> ----- Original Message -----

> > Anyway - while you're waiting for WSC - go play N4 and learn what a tyre
> > model is.

> I've said this before and I'll say it again:

> In a NASCAR sim they are TIRES.

> NASCAR TIRES are made by the Goodyear TIRE and *** company, not the
> Goodyear TYRE and *** company.

> :o)

> ~daxe (always one to be obnoxious for no particular reason)

Actually I think in NASCAR land they're more properly termed "TARZ". At
least thats what it sounds like when Benny,Bob and Ned get to talking.

Dave-Erb

by **David Butte** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 07:07:17

<snip>

Only the US edition; as mentioned by Olav below, PCG UK gave it 92% and
put it on the cover ("your knuckles will turn white with fear!"). You
can read the review here:

http://www.pcgamer.co.uk/games/gamefile_review_page.asp?item_id=491

Shame about the factual inaccuracies at the start (3.5 litre cars? No
one told me), but the review itself is very positive. It was originally
accompanied by a quick quide to each of the 11 original tracks, with a
slightly dodgy difficulty rating (Kyalami easy? Hmmm...).

--
David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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by **Haqsa** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 07:33:53

I wonder if that points to a fundamental difference between gamers in
the US and in the UK and Europe. I guess I would expect that any open
wheel sim would go over much better over there. Here we are infested by
Gen X arcade gamers who don't want to learn anything more complicated
than Quake. I probably shouldn't say that, since I run a Quake-related
web site myself, but it's true. Even just trying to convince my LAN
buddies to try sims has been an uphill battle. All they want to play is
Day of Defeat (a Half-Life WW2 mod, in case you haven't heard of it). I
think the US PCG review was an accurate reflection of how the game was
perceived over here, and hence the poor sales. I wonder if anyone knows
how GPL sold in Europe as compared to how it sold in the US.

Regards,
Hal

> > I was just recently going through some old magazines and found the
> > PC Gamer review of GPL. They only gave it 70%, and their primary
> > criticism was the steepness of the learning curve due to the lack
> > of an optional simplified driving model and the inability to adjust
> > the AI difficulty.
> <snip>

> Only the US edition; as mentioned by Olav below, PCG UK gave it 92%
and
> put it on the cover ("your knuckles will turn white with fear!"). You
> can read the review here:

> http://www.pcgamer.co.uk/games/gamefile_review_page.asp?item_id=491

> Shame about the factual inaccuracies at the start (3.5 litre cars? No
> one told me), but the review itself is very positive. It was
originally
> accompanied by a quick quide to each of the 11 original tracks, with a
> slightly dodgy difficulty rating (Kyalami easy? Hmmm...).

> --
> David. (GPLRank handicap -6.57; Monsters of GPL +271.79)
> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
> Earn (not very much) money writing reviews at http://uk.ciao.com

by **Mike G. Mai** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 07:49:47

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