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Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

William Bradsha

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by William Bradsha » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:31:27

What's the fuel usage difference between those in the draft and those
that aren't? I ran a race earlier where the fuel was above 1X, and I was
shocked that the 5 drivers in the pack were able to cross the line with
a running motor.

Running by myself, I was able to get about 19 laps in before having to
pit. I was under the assumption that cars in the draft burn more fuel
because of the higher RPMs.

I finished with a predicted 2 laps left in fuel.

Can anyone explain this?

Schoone

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by Schoone » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:41:28

Cars in the draft will should burn less as they are out of the air/drag.
They should also be turning less RPMs as they don't need to push as much air
to maintain speed.


Steve Smit

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by Steve Smit » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:48:57

AFAIK, no racing game models the finer points of fuel consumption, neither
from longer gearing, nor from short-shifting, nor from catching a draft, not
even from yellow-flag laps, and neither for AI cars nor human drivers.  Your
mileage, IOW, prolly DOESN'T vary....


> Cars in the draft will should burn less as they are out of the air/drag.
> They should also be turning less RPMs as they don't need to push as much
air
> to maintain speed.



> > What's the fuel usage difference between those in the draft and those
> > that aren't? I ran a race earlier where the fuel was above 1X, and I was
> > shocked that the 5 drivers in the pack were able to cross the line with
> > a running motor.

> > Running by myself, I was able to get about 19 laps in before having to
> > pit. I was under the assumption that cars in the draft burn more fuel
> > because of the higher RPMs.

> > I finished with a predicted 2 laps left in fuel.

> > Can anyone explain this?

McWho

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by McWho » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:09:46


> AFAIK, no racing game models the finer points of fuel consumption,
> neither from longer gearing, nor from short-shifting, nor from
> catching a draft, not even from yellow-flag laps, and neither for AI
> cars nor human drivers.  Your mileage, IOW, prolly DOESN'T vary....

I can say from experience that NR2k3 does account for yellow flag laps on
fuel consumption.  I was in a race that would have required a pit stop and
because of yellows was able to make the checkers without it.

Sean

jason moy

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by jason moy » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:24:26

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:48:57 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>AFAIK, no racing game models the finer points of fuel consumption, neither
>from longer gearing, nor from short-shifting, nor from catching a draft, not
>even from yellow-flag laps, and neither for AI cars nor human drivers.  Your
>mileage, IOW, prolly DOESN'T vary....

N2k3 definitely takes RPM into account when it comes to fuel
consumption.  How it does its calculations I dunno, but I do know you
get better gas mileage at Pocono, for instance, if you stay in 4th
gear instead of downshifting to 3rd.

Jason

Steve Smit

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by Steve Smit » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:16:46

Then I be utterly and totally wrong.  Whip me, beat me, tell me I'm a
Democrat!

P.S. Thx for clueing me in; I'll use this strategy in my next race.


> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:48:57 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >AFAIK, no racing game models the finer points of fuel consumption,
neither
> >from longer gearing, nor from short-shifting, nor from catching a draft,
not
> >even from yellow-flag laps, and neither for AI cars nor human drivers.
Your
> >mileage, IOW, prolly DOESN'T vary....

> N2k3 definitely takes RPM into account when it comes to fuel
> consumption.  How it does its calculations I dunno, but I do know you
> get better gas mileage at Pocono, for instance, if you stay in 4th
> gear instead of downshifting to 3rd.

> Jason

McCrac

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by McCrac » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:46:58

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:48:57 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>AFAIK, no racing game models the finer points of fuel consumption, neither
>from longer gearing, nor from short-shifting, nor from catching a draft, not
>even from yellow-flag laps, and neither for AI cars nor human drivers.  Your
>mileage, IOW, prolly DOESN'T vary....

I don't know about that. In Nascar Thunder 2004 the AI cars can run a
lap or two longer than me without pitting for fuel and I'm wondering
if it's because they are drafting more than me.
Steve Smit

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by Steve Smit » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:00:39

In N2003, you can modify the AI's overall fuel consumption by editing the
value in the "ai_fuel_use" line in the [ ai_track ] stanza in the track.ini
file.  I seem to remember something similar in NT2004, but, hey, I'm batting
zip in this thread so far.


> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:48:57 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >AFAIK, no racing game models the finer points of fuel consumption,
neither
> >from longer gearing, nor from short-shifting, nor from catching a draft,
not
> >even from yellow-flag laps, and neither for AI cars nor human drivers.
Your
> >mileage, IOW, prolly DOESN'T vary....

> I don't know about that. In Nascar Thunder 2004 the AI cars can run a
> lap or two longer than me without pitting for fuel and I'm wondering
> if it's because they are drafting more than me.

John Prath

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by John Prath » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:25:53


> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:48:57 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >AFAIK, no racing game models the finer points of fuel consumption, neither
> >from longer gearing, nor from short-shifting, nor from catching a draft, not
> >even from yellow-flag laps, and neither for AI cars nor human drivers.  Your
> >mileage, IOW, prolly DOESN'T vary....

> N2k3 definitely takes RPM into account when it comes to fuel
> consumption.  How it does its calculations I dunno, but I do know you
> get better gas mileage at Pocono, for instance, if you stay in 4th
> gear instead of downshifting to 3rd.

> Jason

RPM matters quite a bit, but I think "throttle usage" is very
important.

The reason cars in the draft made it longer with fuel was because they
were lifting off of the throttle more than cars that weren't, even
though they may have been carrying more RPM's overall...

Steve Smit

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by Steve Smit » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:45:08

Yes, I know how the RW draft works.  I used it once myself on a trip to
Pittsburgh in a NSU Prinz on the Pennsy Turnpike.  One of the NSU's precious
few cylinders went out, so I took to tucking in behind 18-wheelers (which
drove them crazy) to maintain a respectable average.  I was the featured
speaker at a Porsche club dinner and didn't want to be late.  It worked,
too.



> > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:48:57 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> > >AFAIK, no racing game models the finer points of fuel consumption,
neither
> > >from longer gearing, nor from short-shifting, nor from catching a
draft, not
> > >even from yellow-flag laps, and neither for AI cars nor human drivers.
Your
> > >mileage, IOW, prolly DOESN'T vary....

> > N2k3 definitely takes RPM into account when it comes to fuel
> > consumption.  How it does its calculations I dunno, but I do know you
> > get better gas mileage at Pocono, for instance, if you stay in 4th
> > gear instead of downshifting to 3rd.

> > Jason

> RPM matters quite a bit, but I think "throttle usage" is very
> important.

> The reason cars in the draft made it longer with fuel was because they
> were lifting off of the throttle more than cars that weren't, even
> though they may have been carrying more RPM's overall...

jason moy

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by jason moy » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:21:25

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:16:46 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>Then I be utterly and totally wrong.  Whip me, beat me, tell me I'm a
>Democrat!

>P.S. Thx for clueing me in; I'll use this strategy in my next race.

NP.  This situation actually came up in a RASCAR race awhile ago,
whenever we did Pocono with no cautions.  A few of us had to pit for
fuel, while someone (Mitch I think) ran the whole race in 4th and won.

Jason

Herwig Hensele

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by Herwig Hensele » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:24:32

Hi,



> N2k3 definitely takes RPM into account when it comes to fuel
> consumption.  How it does its calculations I dunno, but I do know you
> get better gas mileage at Pocono, for instance, if you stay in 4th
> gear instead of downshifting to 3rd.

IMHO this was already the case with NASCAR 1 (!)

Herwig

jason moy

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by jason moy » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:13:54

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:24:32 +0100, Herwig Henseler


>IMHO this was already the case with NASCAR 1 (!)

Yeah, there were variables affecting fuel usage in Indycar 1/2 and
Nascar 1.  I'm trying to go easy on Steve here. =)

I'm honestly not 100% certain if drafting to save fuel works tho, as I
don't have any ovals installed anymore.

Jason

Larr

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by Larr » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:48:51

I think what we need to know is exactly how NR2003 calculates fuel usage,
and what factors are monitored.

Without this info, it's all a guessing game...

-Larry


> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:24:32 +0100, Herwig Henseler

> >IMHO this was already the case with NASCAR 1 (!)

> Yeah, there were variables affecting fuel usage in Indycar 1/2 and
> Nascar 1.  I'm trying to go easy on Steve here. =)

> I'm honestly not 100% certain if drafting to save fuel works tho, as I
> don't have any ovals installed anymore.

> Jason

DieHarde

Fuel Usage Between Those In The Draft And Those Not

by DieHarde » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:08:51


And it wasn't before??


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