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RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

Colin Harri

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by Colin Harri » Sat, 04 May 2002 06:50:00


Touch mine, remember, and you're a dead man ;-))))))

Joachim Trens

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 04 May 2002 10:05:24

Are you using one of Giulio 'Automan' Lapedota's cars?

Btw, while I'm very cooperative when it comes to practical purposes like
being able to see the numbers properly when approaching a car from behind,
or when someone tells me to use lighter colours because my car is difficult
to see against dark track surfaces, IMHO things go too far when people start
telling you to paint your car with a sponsor's logo or to put Decals on it
just because Nascars nowadays look like this. The paint I put on the car has
nothing to do with the quality of the races I will give someone, and this is
a racing sim and not a car painting sim.

I seek realism in the driving and will give anyone the best and most
realistic racing I'm capable of, and will permanently continue to improve
this aspect, but I think we can be a little forgiving in terms of what
everyone perceives as being a good looking car or what he thinks symbolizes
his own approach to racing best in terms of how he paints his car.

Achim



> >   B) I changed Tony Rickard's, but only enough to see the numbers
> > better.  BTW Tony, what is that green snake thing on the side of your
> > car?

> Well I guess I break all your stock car painting rules John.

> This car is an Alfa Romeo (not a Ford, Pontiac, Dodge or Chevrolet) so
there is
> one rule broken.
> The numbers are as we see on touring cars or other car racing series in
Europe.
> Recognition is by colour schemes and subtle differences (like door mirror
> colours or bumper trim) between team mates.

> The symbols of the Alfa Romeo badge are symbols of Milan - the snake is
from the
> Visconti family crest that represented the virtues of military effort,
i.e., to
> devour your enemy. The left part of the badge is the red cross on white
> background which recalls the heroic deeds of the Milanese Giovanni da Rho
during
> the First Crusades of the 11th century

> ALFA stands for Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili - Romeo was added
when
> Nicola Romeo took ownership of ALFA.

> Be prepared to be devoured...

> So pure fantasy John - the concept of pretty but fragile Alfa Romeos in
Nascar
> seems rather far fetched - then again we have got used to Ferraris being
more
> reliable than Mercedes in F1...

> Cheers

> Tony

JM

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by JM » Sat, 04 May 2002 07:58:04


I agree with what you say, Achim, just for the record, I did not mind one
bit "remaking" my skin (changed from 305 to 59)
59 was the first year of production of the mini so I kept a number with
"meaning" for me.
Besides, the 3 digit number was just a pain to line up on the sides nicely
anyway.  I *think* I followed the right "rules" for NASCAR stickering, and
used the packs of contingency stickers because they looked a lot better
than the ones I had anyway (had to find an image converter to get them out
of psp format but no biggy).
I like painting car skins (or more precisely, stickering up the excellent
2003 pontiac template I downloaded) so I enjoyed the excercise.
Now I have done Badtz Maru, I have a compulsion to create the Hello Kitty
Winston Cup team :o)

Anyone want a nice pink n white car painting up?

(worth a shot!)

cheers
John (JohnMid RASCAR #59)

John Simmon

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by John Simmon » Sat, 04 May 2002 08:03:34




> >   B) I changed Tony Rickard's, but only enough to see the numbers
> > better.  BTW Tony, what is that green snake thing on the side of your
> > car?

> Well I guess I break all your stock car painting rules John.

For me, they're rules, for everyone else, they're merely guidelines that
everyone better damn well follow if they know what's good for them. :)

Allllll-rightie then.  :)

Pretty?  :)

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RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by John Simmon » Sat, 04 May 2002 08:04:14





> > As far as paint jobs, (and remember, this is just my opinion) some of
> > them are severely lacking in quality, completeness, and/or realism.

> > I even re-painted a couple without any formal (or informal) request by
> > the drivers (#49, and #55) and posted them if they want to use them.

> > I stopped saying anything about it and just taking care of it on my end.
> > If there's a specific sponsor involved, I try to keep it, but I'm not
> > adverse to just re-doing the whole car if I get compeletely annoyed with
> > it.

> Touch mine, remember, and you're a dead man ;-))))))

I guess  I'm lucky that yours looks good. :)

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by John Simmon » Sat, 04 May 2002 08:09:49


says...

It has EVERYTHING in the world to do with how well the guy races. :)

And considering your're in a 3-digit numbered car, your racing is pretty
decent, although I can tell that you're not yet quite accustomed to the
"let the #43 car pass you on every lap" rule.

I don't care if they put logos/decals on their car or not.  I would
simply like to see the numbers visible and in the right places.

Forgiving!?  Never!  Like "apologizing", it's a sign of weakness. :)

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RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by Edward » Sat, 04 May 2002 08:34:57

In other words , it's what's on the inside that counts, not the
outside... correct?

Edward


> Are you using one of Giulio 'Automan' Lapedota's cars?

> Btw, while I'm very cooperative when it comes to practical purposes like
> being able to see the numbers properly when approaching a car from behind,
> or when someone tells me to use lighter colours because my car is difficult
> to see against dark track surfaces, IMHO things go too far when people start
> telling you to paint your car with a sponsor's logo or to put Decals on it
> just because Nascars nowadays look like this. The paint I put on the car has
> nothing to do with the quality of the races I will give someone, and this is
> a racing sim and not a car painting sim.

> I seek realism in the driving and will give anyone the best and most
> realistic racing I'm capable of, and will permanently continue to improve
> this aspect, but I think we can be a little forgiving in terms of what
> everyone perceives as being a good looking car or what he thinks symbolizes
> his own approach to racing best in terms of how he paints his car.

> Achim




>>>  B) I changed Tony Rickard's, but only enough to see the numbers
>>>better.  BTW Tony, what is that green snake thing on the side of your
>>>car?

>>Well I guess I break all your stock car painting rules John.

>>This car is an Alfa Romeo (not a Ford, Pontiac, Dodge or Chevrolet) so

> there is

>>one rule broken.
>>The numbers are as we see on touring cars or other car racing series in

> Europe.

>>Recognition is by colour schemes and subtle differences (like door mirror
>>colours or bumper trim) between team mates.

>>The symbols of the Alfa Romeo badge are symbols of Milan - the snake is

> from the

>>Visconti family crest that represented the virtues of military effort,

> i.e., to

>>devour your enemy. The left part of the badge is the red cross on white
>>background which recalls the heroic deeds of the Milanese Giovanni da Rho

> during

>>the First Crusades of the 11th century

>>ALFA stands for Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili - Romeo was added

> when

>>Nicola Romeo took ownership of ALFA.

>>Be prepared to be devoured...

>>So pure fantasy John - the concept of pretty but fragile Alfa Romeos in

> Nascar

>>seems rather far fetched - then again we have got used to Ferraris being

> more

>>reliable than Mercedes in F1...

>>Cheers

>>Tony

Joachim Trens

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 04 May 2002 11:52:24

For me, that #128 is just a personal thing - it's been 'my' number since I
was able to chose a number in online racing, and I've been using it for
years. It's like a bit of a luck charm, and old habit, simply 'my' number.
Yeah yeah I know, sentimental I am... <bg>

Achim



> > I seek realism in the driving and will give anyone the best and most
> > realistic racing I'm capable of, and will permanently continue to
> > improve this aspect, but I think we can be a little forgiving in terms
> > of what everyone perceives as being a good looking car or what he
> > thinks symbolizes his own approach to racing best in terms of how he
> > paints his car.

> > Achim

> I agree with what you say, Achim, just for the record, I did not mind one
> bit "remaking" my skin (changed from 305 to 59)
> 59 was the first year of production of the mini so I kept a number with
> "meaning" for me.
> Besides, the 3 digit number was just a pain to line up on the sides nicely
> anyway.  I *think* I followed the right "rules" for NASCAR stickering, and
> used the packs of contingency stickers because they looked a lot better
> than the ones I had anyway (had to find an image converter to get them out
> of psp format but no biggy).
> I like painting car skins (or more precisely, stickering up the excellent
> 2003 pontiac template I downloaded) so I enjoyed the excercise.
> Now I have done Badtz Maru, I have a compulsion to create the Hello Kitty
> Winston Cup team :o)

> Anyone want a nice pink n white car painting up?

> (worth a shot!)

> cheers
> John (JohnMid RASCAR #59)

Joachim Trens

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 04 May 2002 12:07:10

Hi John,

Well, if he uses that hyperspeed varnish they've been advertising recently,
you know the one that's so sleek that your top speed increases by 50mph,
that indeed is not good sportsmanship. OTOH, if he puts enough decals on,
the additional weight will slow him down so much to equilibrate the effect
of the hyperspeed varnish ;-)

Thank you Sir.

I've given up on letting someone pass, since recently the pacecar crushed me
to pieces when I tried to let it pass <g>

Nope, with the decals, that wasn't you. And your idea to put numbers on the
car is actually sensationally good. I've immediately put numbers on my car
after I understood the beauty of the concept. AAMOF, I was going to chose
either 1, 2 or 8, but then I couldn't make up my mind as to which one to
chose, and put them all on. Better one number too many than one too few,
right?

<g>

You know, I was on purpose avoiding the use of foreign words like 'tolerate'
or similar effeminate stuff ;-)

Achim

Ed Whit

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by Ed Whit » Sat, 04 May 2002 08:57:23

<snip>
 4Q is a classic short track car number, and around where I'm from, one of
the most successful modifieds when I was growing up was the 2jr.......my dad
sat me in it at the gas station where the owner worked, was pretty cool for
an 8 yr old.
Ed
Brian Ost

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by Brian Ost » Sat, 04 May 2002 09:44:06

I don't know about the busch series, but I remember hearing something
on the show "Totally Nascar" that the numbers in the cup series had to
be 2 digit numbers.  I can maybe see why.  I believe that the scoring
pole or what ever it's called at the track only allows for 2 digits.

Brian Oster


>I never said it wasn't legal.  I just said it wasn't *typical*, and
>that's Busch, NOT Winston Cup...

>Besides that, the reasons I cited for not using 3-digit numbers (1xx and
>3xx) were sim-related.



>> Check out this link to NASCAR.com

>> It shows the entry list for this weeks BGN race at Richmond.

>> Please note the bottom of the list, and the 7 cars that have entered with 3
>> digit numbers.

>> http://www.nascar.com/races/bg/2002/10/data/entry_list.html

>> So. It's official, 3 digit numbers are NASCAR legal.

>> Brit
>> btgoss

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elrik

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by elrik » Sat, 04 May 2002 10:46:12

<snip>

<snip>

Car #99 here.

Feel free to do anything you like to my car.  I just painted it as I did to
give an honest (and hopefully funny) indication of my soon to be obvious
"rookie" status here in RASCAR.

My plan was to show up during practice sessions, drive a few laps and then
start at the back of the grid.  Then I would see if I could even race with
any of the tailenders.   If not. . . well nothing ventured . . .   As long
as I stayed out of the way while being lapped by the leaders I would cause
no harm.  Just hold my line, close my eyes and pray.  :O)

But then came race day last weekend and I got as far as finding the epickett
server listed on my screen.  .  .  and then I chickened out.

I'd like a place to race against people with the same attitudes found here;
good clean racing with sportsmanship prevailing (and the odd needle after
the race) but I don't want to cause any problems on the track.  It must be a
generational thing (I'm older the most here) but I'd be more embarassed by
making a mistake that took someone else out then he (she)  would be angry
for my doing so.

I'll keep practicing against the AI during the week on the tracks to be used
the following weekend and if I get a sudden burst of confidance I just might
show up.  Look for me in you mirror, but back . . . way back.

elrikk (Mike Kay)

ymenar

RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by ymenar » Sat, 04 May 2002 10:53:44

<snip everything>

All this just for a painted number on the side of the cars! ;-)

I've asked since N2 to have *letters* in the car's number, so somebody could
have #33a or #104b.

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RASCAR: Trying to end the 3 digit number debate.

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 04 May 2002 14:31:08

I think it's time for some logical thinking here.

IF (Achim is Nascar rookie) AND (Everybody else is Nascar rookie, too)
THEN (Everybody is like Achim when it comes to Nascar racing).

That means everybody is faster than John  <bg,d&r> ;-)

Achim


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