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by **Ale** » Wed, 02 May 2001 10:42:06

I know about three good sets of Lotus setups: Wolfgang Woeger's
(I believe they are somewhere on Alison's site), Roland Ehnstrom's
(you can download them from GPL hotlaps" at
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~gplhotlaps/index.html) and Greger Huttu's
(make sure you download first version of setups unless you're alien).
They are different from each other, but all of them are fast.
Try to find one you like more.

And just to encourage you I am finding Lotus easier to drive than
Ferrari or Eagle.

Alex
(alexti)

by **Eldre** » Wed, 02 May 2001 12:13:03

>And just to encourage you I am finding Lotus easier to drive than
>Ferrari or Eagle.

<cough>*bullshit*<cough>....
Sorry - who said that? :-)

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 02 May 2001 12:13:04

Fraioli) writes:

>>>an excuse ! Only a *** would try the Brabham - way too much torque
>for
>>>me ...

>> What does too much torque do for you?

>Well, I don't know what it does for you, or for Johnny, but for me,
>it causes my gearbox to lead the way out of the corners an awful lot
>more than I'd like.... ;-)

Hmm... I usually get that type of behavior from the Lotus - but you already
KNOW that, right? :)

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by **Marc Fraio** » Thu, 03 May 2001 02:56:47

> Fraioli) writes:

>>> What does too much torque do for you?

>>Well, I don't know what it does for you, or for Johnny, but for me,
>>it causes my gearbox to lead the way out of the corners an awful lot
>>more than I'd like.... ;-)

> Hmm... I usually get that type of behavior from the Lotus - but you already
> KNOW that, right? :)

Hehe, I suppose I do. :) I don't drive the Lotus enough to even really
know what it's like in that regard, but I do know that the Brabham
requires considerable restraint in the lower gears.

BTW, your handicap in your sig is out of date. Don't sell yourself
short, man. :)

Marc

by **Ale** » Thu, 03 May 2001 07:24:59

>>And just to encourage you I am finding Lotus easier to drive than
>>Ferrari or Eagle.

><cough>*bullshit*<cough>....
>Sorry - who said that? :-)

>Eldred

Ok, I will try to explain why. I am not good at sliding the
car around the corners, so I really need to have agile car
to make any good times. Lotus allows to change direction very
quicky. It also accelerates pretty well from the corners. Also
I've found out that steering ratios 11:1 and 12:1 work pretty
well with Lotus improving the rapidness of your input. With
Ferrari or Eagle I always feel that the car takes too much
time to react on my input and when it reacts I realize that
now it's not what I want and trees are welcoming me.

Alex
(alexti)

by **Eldre** » Thu, 03 May 2001 12:34:47

>Actually, I find the Lotus easier than the Ferrari. My regular car was the
>Brabham which drifted so easily and I found myself trying to force the
>Ferrari to do the same. The Lotus drifts OK, if a little twitchily, and
>seems more stable entering corners than the Brabham.

>Ben...commenting from the positive side of GPLRank

Hmm...If the Brab is easier to drift than the Ferrari, maybe I should switch to
that. People say I drive the turns, as opposed to drifting...

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 03 May 2001 12:34:46

No, I don't drive the Lotus much. I only did it because Peter suggested
driving different cars in that race. I tried the Ferrari last night, and
didn't even get CLOSE to that 8:43 in the Lotus. I think I need to compare the
steering lock. The Ferrari seemed to push too much.

Oh yeah, right. In the 4 months since the beginning of the year, I've
dropped...a whole 1.5 seconds. Yeah, I'm really *zooming* up the
rankings...:-)

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 03 May 2001 12:34:46

>Ok, I will try to explain why. I am not good at sliding the
>car around the corners, so I really need to have agile car
>to make any good times. Lotus allows to change direction very
>quicky. It also accelerates pretty well from the corners. Also
>I've found out that steering ratios 11:1 and 12:1 work pretty
>well with Lotus improving the rapidness of your input. With
>Ferrari or Eagle I always feel that the car takes too much
>time to react on my input and when it reacts I realize that
>now it's not what I want and trees are welcoming me.

Ooh, an 11:1 or 12:1 would have me doing a slalom down the straights... I have
to raise mine to at least 18:1 on most tracks. Some I have it set at 20:1

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by **Jonny Hodgso** » Thu, 03 May 2001 16:25:54

Interesting discussion. I've done most of my GPLing with the
Eagle, having started with the Brabham and used the Lotus
for one or two of the faster tracks, where I really needed the
power (that was my perception).

The biggest difference I've noticed Eagle-to-Lotus, particularly
if I jump straight from one to the other, is that the Lotus won't
turn in if I've got used to the Eagle - particularly in the faster
corners, like the kink at Rouen. It just seems to require a
different driving style (can't say how) since I eventually adjust
to the Lotus and I suspect it's generally quicker.

Jonny

by **Marc Fraio** » Fri, 04 May 2001 03:11:18

I first felt that the Cooper pushed too much there when I tried it, but
fiddled around with the bars some and got it to behave a little better.
With the Ferrari (well, with the Cooper too), I trail brake quite a bit
at the Ring to help it turn in. And by trail brake, I mean continue
a little pressure on the brake while turning, not the gas+brake thing
that some people mean by the term.

Hmm, I started playing this game last November, and made my first GPLRank
submission January 3rd this year. I've dropped 215 seconds in that time,
but then, I had farther to go... ;-)

Marc

by **Eldre** » Fri, 04 May 2001 09:12:39

>Interesting discussion. I've done most of my GPLing with the
>Eagle, having started with the Brabham and used the Lotus
>for one or two of the faster tracks, where I really needed the
>power (that was my perception).

I started with the Eagle - used that for a long time. When people started
talking about Alison Hine's Ferrari setups, I switched. That's my main car
now, although I've run a Cooper in a league for the past year and a half. So,
I gues I'm comfortable in either the Cooper or Ferrari - just slow...<g>

The Eagle turns in more than the Lotus? I always think the Lotus is quicker to
swap ends....<shrug> That's why I don't drive it much - I *can't*.

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by J » Fri, 04 May 2001 14:34:09

Isn't it nice that after 3 years there are still newbies picking up the game?

Thx again for GPL, Papy

Comments are thrown in below.

JensSchumi

>Okay, so I'm making some (newbie) assumptions here and I'd like some
>feedback, if I may.

>I think it's fair to say that, with the right setup, the Lotus is the
>quickest, but most car challenging (i.e. difficult) to drive?

I don't find the Lotus too difficult. Try the early nunnini-setups.

Dunno, always get headache when driving this car

Might be, but only with the right setups - which I don't have

Copper is excellent for learning.
Honda is something for ***s, but there are quite a few out there.

Very nice car, has alotta torque and is quite narrow (important for Monaco)

You will have tons of problems to get used to the 6 gears, after having learned
a track on 5 gears

Start with the cooper and then go for either the Brabham or the Lotus.
Thats only my personal view.
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by J » Fri, 04 May 2001 14:34:10

Richard,
try Nunnini's setups.
His setups are like an evolution. the 3-series is quite easy and predictable,
while I'm almost not able to drive the 5-series.

JensSchumi

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