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Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

Peter Ive

Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

by Peter Ive » Thu, 22 May 2003 11:15:42





>o.uk>...
>> And get up to P6?  I doubt that very much.  Maybe you can gain a few
>> places this way, but certainly not overtake 2/3rds of the field.  Before
>> posting my original follow-up I did test this out several times over and
>> A1 was the weakest, but on the other tracks often cars would be 3 wide
>> not allowing for this kind of thing.  Is this with the patch btw?
>> Perhaps they improved things with the patch.

>Yes I was in P6. And yes they were on Pro. And yes I can do it on
>almost all the tracks. And yes I have been able to do it since Formula
>One Grand Prix on my Amiga. And yes it was with the patch.

Wow, you must be really good at this game.  I'm not too shabby myself,
but just can't seem to match this.  Do you mean that you can get up to
P6 without ramming half the cars out of the way?

Partially, though you appear to have snipped the important bit about
sticking to your part of the track when alongside an AI driver.  Now I
would have thought this would be common sense in real-life driving as
well, but moreso here because you just can't see the AI drivers to
either side of you and so you have to learn to stick to your part of the
track.  This works the same with GPL.  However, with GPL if you
accidentally move over to their side of the track their crash avoidance
routines come into play and so accidents are more rare.  So its not just
about learning to drive the AI its about learning to drive safer.

Irrelevant.  We are discussing the AI's merits not the game as a whole.

But its almost impossible to lose a wing with GP3 without some serious
collision velocity.  You know that, c'mon?  Someone driving across my
line in GP3 won't damage my car unless I get airborn.

Get along?  We just have different viewpoints, that's all.

Did you read the whole of my previous post.  You know, the part where I
mentioned about have done over a thousand hours against the GPL AI?
Believe me, as you should be able to realise from my sig., I've spent a
whole lot more hours on GPL than I have playing NASCAR.

No, I play GP3.  And once again we are talking about the AI dodgy
physics not the game physics.

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Trust me, when I was doing a whole lot of GPL driving with a joystick I
could do pretty much the same and that is why I have had time to study
the flaws in its AI.

Perhaps GP4 is terrible.  Never played it.  I'm talking about GP3 AI, so
why start talking about all this other stuff?

Yeah that's 3 irrelevant comments, too. :)

Whatever.  Let's be straight here.  I was refering specifically to GP3
AI not to the game in general.  If you dislike the game overall then
that's just fine with me.  I never said it was the bee's-knees.  I was
specifically talking about the AI behaviour.

Note my sig. below.  It may tell you something.  ;-)
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MrB

Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

by MrB » Thu, 22 May 2003 14:48:32

Please do me a favor and tell Papy to turn off that "ideal racing line"
while in multiplayer. (Perhaps the administrator could be give a toggle
feature).  All of our league races turn into "Follow the line" instead of
"Drive the Track".....very boring and unrealistic.

Mr. B


> Yes there will be a patch and no I am not a tester.



> > i can confirm that ive spoken to a guy who was part of the original beta
> > crew who is currently testing the new patch.

> > but anything more im going to have to deny.

> > pez



> > > No one has confirmed any knowledge of a patch that is being worked
on...

> > > Marc



> > > > I want to know if I should relegate this to online use only or keep
> > hoping
> > > > that reasonable AI may be coming soon....

> > > > Marc

> > > > --

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> > > > Marc Collins

> > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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Nic

Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

by Nic » Thu, 22 May 2003 18:41:47


> Wow, you must be really good at this game.  I'm not too shabby myself,
> but just can't seem to match this.  Do you mean that you can get up to
> P6 without ramming half the cars out of the way?

Yes.

That's common sense. Everybody does that. I thought you were being
condescending.

Now we seem to be getting somewhere. I was actually talking about GP4,
not GP3 ;-) Try GP4 out, you'll realise that it really is a backwards
step. By the way, I never noticed cars swerving around in front of me
in GP3 before the braking zone, but it's clear to see in GP4. And
also, after checking it out more, they DON'T obey the rules of physics
any more than in GPL (this is GP4 I'm talking about).

I have always been talking about GP4. Yes it is terrible. The reason
why we can't agree is that we are talking about different games ;-)

You originally said 'give Geoff Crammond his dues here, his AI
programming ain't too bad.', which wasn't GPx specific, so I was
giving a counter-example in GP4.

Dave Henri

Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

by Dave Henri » Fri, 23 May 2003 08:50:49



   Doesn't the host control that?  It should be toggle-able in the race
setup.(been too long away from Papy online, so I'm not 100% on that issue)
dave henrie

Peter Ive

Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

by Peter Ive » Fri, 23 May 2003 10:12:54



<snipped>

Oh well, fare enough.  And man, did I think you were just exaggerating
things about GP3 just to make a point.  :) Anyways, I did mention GP3
right at the start when refering to my neighbour, guess you must have
missed it:

In fact, he now has a copy of GP4, though his system is so slow (PII
350) that it struggles to run it.  Frankly, I think I need to advise him
to start spending that money more wisely - like on a computer upgrade.
Guess I won't be bothering to ask him to let me try GP4 out on mine,
either.  :)
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Nic

Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

by Nic » Fri, 23 May 2003 18:39:15


> >You originally said 'give Geoff Crammond his dues here, his AI
> >programming ain't too bad.', which wasn't GPx specific, so I was
> >giving a counter-example in GP4.

> Oh well, fare enough.  And man, did I think you were just exaggerating
> things about GP3 just to make a point.  :) Anyways, I did mention GP3
> right at the start when refering to my neighbour, guess you must have
> missed it:

Yeah, I guess I did ;-)

If you ever get bored of GP3, try GP4 for a few days and you'll be
hooked on GP3 again...

John Simmon

Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

by John Simmon » Fri, 23 May 2003 18:43:49


says...



> > Please do me a favor and tell Papy to turn off that "ideal racing
> > line" while in multiplayer. (Perhaps the administrator could be give a
> > toggle feature).  All of our league races turn into "Follow the line"
> > instead of "Drive the Track".....very boring and unrealistic.

> > Mr. B

>    Doesn't the host control that?  It should be toggle-able in the race
> setup.(been too long away from Papy online, so I'm not 100% on that issue)
> dave henrie

Nope, not controllable by the host.
Eldre

Is a patch coming for NR2003 or not?

by Eldre » Sun, 25 May 2003 11:45:11



>>    Doesn't the host control that?  It should be toggle-able in the race
>> setup.(been too long away from Papy online, so I'm not 100% on that issue)
>> dave henrie

>Nope, not controllable by the host.

Even if it were controllable by the host, it wouldn't change our races.  I have
the ideal line in use when I run on Saturdays...<g>  I can't see where to turn
in well enough otherwise.

Eldred
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