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If id software made Nascar2

T.Galvi

If id software made Nascar2

by T.Galvi » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00

If id software made Nascar2 things would be a little different around here.
For a start the web would be full of  Nascar2 news sights, not sights
updated once a month but daily and more, with news not just of paint jobs,
but new tracks, cars , and total conversions. By now every race track in
the world would have been recreated, every type of race car also. There are
intelligent people out here who with the right tools could do anything they
want to the sim, if they had the chance. But instead we just sit around
waiting for one mythical patch (yes I know its here but did it really make
alot of difference overall).
 As well as this There would be a free way to have 30+ multiplayer racing
and It would be in true 3d (haha) and they would go out of there way to
continually make it better and support all the lattest hardware eg 3DFX 3d
cards.
 Obviously most game companies want to make as much money as possible, why
give your customers the ability to make tracks when you can charge them for
a track pack. So why did id software do all the things they did? because it
sold C.Ds . Thats where game companies make there money not from charging
people to play multiplayer. id didnt go out to make a billion dollars and
because of that they made alot of money with Quake.
 As a word of warning to Papyrus , id software is not a major company like
sierra, Quake was made by 9 people. Who knows, it might only take 9
dedicated race simmers to get together and make a sim that tears Papyrus
off there perch.
 As far as the licenseing goes, does it really matter GP1 didnt have the f1
license and it did alright. If we were able to manipulate the source then
all the logos and such could be put in latter.
 a little bit more than 2 cents but there you go
     food for thought.
     Todd.

WILLIE HOWEL

If id software made Nascar2

by WILLIE HOWEL » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Todd,
  Thanks for telling them like it should be!!



Randall Gregg Barne

If id software made Nascar2

by Randall Gregg Barne » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Jesus That was good.  I totally agree with you but cant put it into
words like you did.  Good job

Justin Rya

If id software made Nascar2

by Justin Rya » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00

At least we would have a grappling hook to tow us back to the pits:)

Jo

If id software made Nascar2

by Jo » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00


>If id software made Nascar2 things would be a little different around here.
>For a start the web would be full of  Nascar2 news sights, not sights
>updated once a month but daily and more, with news not just of paint jobs,
>but new tracks, cars , and total conversions. By now every race track in
>the world would have been recreated, every type of race car also. There are
>intelligent people out here who with the right tools could do anything they
>want to the sim, if they had the chance.

Agreed 100%. Papyrus/Siera needs to crawl out of the 1980s and join
the modern world. There is NO reasonable excuse for the lack of a
track editor being released. Look at I76 - Activision's "complex
undocumented" editor (i.e., it's in exactly the same state as Papyrus)
was included on the CD, and there are already dozens of new tracks on
the net. And that's the main reason I don't play Nascar2 any more, I'm
bored with the same old tracks.

Joe McGinn
===================================================
Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997
http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/
===================================================

Mike Fraz

If id software made Nascar2

by Mike Fraz » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Oh come on...

GET OFF IT FOLKS!!!  THERE ARE NO WHAT-IFS!!!!  PAPYRUS MADE IT< THEY
DID A DANG GOOD JOB SO SHUT UP ALREADY!!!  IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT
PLAY IT!!

There, I'm done.

Mike Frazer


Mike Frazer
#11 American Airlines/STP/MBNA Ford, IGN
Prime Time Motorsports


Jo

If id software made Nascar2

by Jo » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00


>GET OFF IT FOLKS!!!  THERE ARE NO WHAT-IFS!!!!  PAPYRUS MADE IT< THEY
>DID A DANG GOOD JOB SO SHUT UP ALREADY!!!  IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT
>PLAY IT!!

Get bent or chill out or something, dude.

I bought it and I'm bored with it. I have some ideas for features that
would regain my interest and make my a repeat customer for Papyrus.
I'm willing to pay for them. If this newsgroup isn't an appropriate
place to discuss these issues I don't know what is.

Joe McGinn
===================================================
Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997
http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/
===================================================

Nigel Nichol

If id software made Nascar2

by Nigel Nichol » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Todd
It sounds like you don't like Nascar 2 from Papyrus. Sell it
and never play it again. And let me know when someone does
something better in the Nascar type of racing.
If you yourself can make a Nascar sim better than Papy and do
it for nothing I'll pay you a fare price for it.
But don't get one ***ing thing wrong in it.

--

Nigel of Lakewood Motorsports
Nascar Coruba & Coke Chevy
Hamilton
New Zealand

David Gar

If id software made Nascar2

by David Gar » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00


> >GET OFF IT FOLKS!!!  THERE ARE NO WHAT-IFS!!!!  PAPYRUS MADE IT< THEY
> >DID A DANG GOOD JOB SO SHUT UP ALREADY!!!  IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT
> >PLAY IT!!

Can you say: P-S-Y-C-H-O-S-T-I-M-U-L-A-N-T?!!

-DG-

Mark Daviso

If id software made Nascar2

by Mark Daviso » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00



> >GET OFF IT FOLKS!!!  THERE ARE NO WHAT-IFS!!!!  PAPYRUS MADE IT< THEY
> >DID A DANG GOOD JOB SO SHUT UP ALREADY!!!  IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT
> >PLAY IT!!

> Get bent or chill out or something, dude.

> I bought it and I'm bored with it. I have some ideas for features that
> would regain my interest and make my a repeat customer for Papyrus.
> I'm willing to pay for them. If this newsgroup isn't an appropriate
> place to discuss these issues I don't know what is.

Afraid I agree with Mike.
"What if I won the lottery - maybe I could afford a GP2 machine"
"What if..."
Dream all you want but you gotta wake up sometime :-)

Games die after a while.  Loved Tomb Raider, until I got bored about 1/3
of the way through.  Enjoyed Quake (single player), now I'm bored in the
second episode. Doesn't matter what new levels I get I just can't be
bothered with it.
On the other hand I'll probably play N2 until N3 (played N1 'til N2)
because I like that no two races are the same and racing around 'real'
tracks enhances my enjoyment of the sport.
N2 is marketed as a sim, so they had no need to add a track editor.
It's a shame we don't have Daytona or Indy and I'd like to see them as
much as the next guy, but it doesn't reduce my enjoyment of what I have
right now.  To be honest I'd rather wait (even if they never arrive) for
official, Papyrus produced versions than hack away at an editor.  I'd
want them done as well as they could be.
No one owes you a lifetime of entertainment for the price of a game.

Mark
Reading, UK

Dave

If id software made Nascar2

by Dave » Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Well Said Ole Boy!

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TrenT Castanavara

If id software made Nascar2

by TrenT Castanavara » Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Thank you. For once I can say I agree with something...If people want
to flame and say what if and get all high and mighty about someone else
doing a better job...all i want to know is, WHY don't they do it then?
and yes, if they spout off like this, they had better not***up one
single thing. Let's get real, if you dont like it, don't play it, and if
you do, just enjoy what you have...it's the best out there at the time..

TrenT
--
CatchMeIfU.........................Can

EDDI

If id software made Nascar2

by EDDI » Thu, 01 May 1997 04:00:00

I agree entirely. N2 is the best racing sim on the market today. I was a
big fan of N1, and N2 blows it away. I have an older P90 with 16megs ram,
and the original video card (non-redition, 2d, 2megs) and run quite
smoothly with most effects on. (If I turn on track textures it kills it
though!) I have not installed the patch yet, but probably will today. Papy
has been very helpful with any problems I have had, and if history repeats,
they will do everything they can to solve the problems with the patch. The
only problems I have had with the original N2 was the pit problem at
Atlanta, the occasional bump in the Talledega pits, and did get totalled
once at Richmond when a car came through the pit wall and nailed me. The
best thing we can do is to help Papy by reporting problems, and by all
means let them know what kind of system you are using. With all the
different configurations we use, it is damn impossible for them to test
them all.
--

Regards,
Ed Medlin



Lannie Schafro

If id software made Nascar2

by Lannie Schafro » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00


VERY well put mark. :)
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Jo

If id software made Nascar2

by Jo » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00


>N2 is marketed as a sim, so they had no need to add a track editor.

That's just not logical, one is not connected to the other.

Funny, other game companies disagree. I guess I'll just spend my money
with them.

Joe McGinn
===================================================
Author of Inside LotusScript, available August 1997
http://www.browsebooks.com/McGinn/
===================================================


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