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by **Jon Ferra** » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:00:44

> > I have a lowly P4 2.0, but I am basing my opinion on discussion over at
> > RaceSim Central Forums and here at r.a.s., not just my own box.

> You seem to have negated the fact that many people at RSC have got the
> radeon working really well with GPL. Are you one of the ones who, after
> five minutes, reinstalled their Geforce card and started crying about
> it?

My Radeon 8500 works perfectly fine in GPL with the latest Papy
Direct3D patch. The GPL OpenGL patch was designed only for Nvidia
cards so it is not going to work on the Radeon.

Jon Ferraez
JF Carsets for GPL

by **Jon Ferra** » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:05:50

> Really--where? The OpenGL support is so appalling as to not be worth
> discussing and D3D frame rates are well below other titles. The hardware is
> nice, but support for GPL is poor. Support for OpenGL is poor. And lots of
> minor problems with other titles, too. The fact that the card flies in some
> titles doesn't mean it works well in GPL.

> Marc

Actually the ATI Radeon 8500/9700 cards have very good OpenGL support.
The GPL OpenGL patch was designed only for Nvidia cards that is why it
doesn't work on the Radeon. Any other OpenGL game will fly on the
Radeon 8500/9700. Read some of the ATI reviews on anandtech.com and
tomshardware.com to find that out. Saying the Radeon has poor OpenGL
is just not true.. in the case of GPL that is a known fact that the
OpenGL patch was designed only for Nvidia cards.

Jon Ferraez
JF Carsets for GPL

by **Jon Ferra** » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:07:47

> I am experiencing the transparent textures at the side of the track at
> Monza, but no where else that I can find so far. Haven't tried the Ring
> that was mentioned elsewhere. It is quite bizarre. I am going to try
> turning off AA and then start playing with filtering and LOD settings to see
> what happens.

> 9700 Pro, latest 3.1 drivers

> Marc

Transparent textures at the side of the track/screen come from the
Catalyst 3.1 drivers.. that is a issue with the new 3.1 drivers. Go
back to the Catalyst 3.0 or 2.5 drivers and the transparent textures
on the side of the track/screen will go away.

Jon Ferraez
JF Carsets for GPL

by **bertr** » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 10:44:59

But, for many of us, going back to 3.0 means that you can't run the road courses in NR2003. So, I guess it's a
question of what's more important to you.

To me, pending a new driver update that fixes EVERYTHING, it's a relatively simple matter to move the Texture
Preference slider all the way left when running GPL, and moving it back all the way right when running anything
else.......

Bert

> > I am experiencing the transparent textures at the side of the track at
> > Monza, but no where else that I can find so far. Haven't tried the Ring
> > that was mentioned elsewhere. It is quite bizarre. I am going to try
> > turning off AA and then start playing with filtering and LOD settings to see
> > what happens.

> > 9700 Pro, latest 3.1 drivers

> > Marc

> Transparent textures at the side of the track/screen come from the
> Catalyst 3.1 drivers.. that is a issue with the new 3.1 drivers. Go
> back to the Catalyst 3.0 or 2.5 drivers and the transparent textures
> on the side of the track/screen will go away.

> Jon Ferraez
> JF Carsets for GPL

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:36:45

> > > I have a lowly P4 2.0, but I am basing my opinion on discussion over at
> > > RaceSim Central Forums and here at r.a.s., not just my own box.

> > You seem to have negated the fact that many people at RSC have got the
> > radeon working really well with GPL. Are you one of the ones who, after
> > five minutes, reinstalled their Geforce card and started crying about
> > it?

> My Radeon 8500 works perfectly fine in GPL with the latest Papy
> Direct3D patch. The GPL OpenGL patch was designed only for Nvidia
> cards so it is not going to work on the Radeon.

> Jon Ferraez
> JF Carsets for GPL

Hi Jon

I can now confirm that I too have a Radeon 9700 running GPL at
1200x1600, everything on full, 4xFSAA, 16x Aniso, latest GPLEA cars and
16bit tracks, giving me 35FPS BOG at Monaco!

Gerry

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:49:05

> Really--where?

RSC and now from my own experience I know it works.

Rubbish! Works great with IL2 in opengl.

Rubbish! Works fine on my system. Your PC is badly configured!

No problems here.

But I DOES work with GPL, just not on your system.

See my other post, and eat your words!!

I bet you didn't properly clear your system of detonator drivers.

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:28:04

Which drivers are you using and do you get those transparent textures at
trackside like the other Radeon users have mentioned?
dave henrie

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:53:04

> > I can now confirm that I too have a Radeon 9700 running GPL at
> > 1200x1600, everything on full, 4xFSAA, 16x Aniso, latest GPLEA cars
> > and 16bit tracks, giving me 35FPS BOG at Monaco!

> > Gerry

> Which drivers are you using and do you get those transparent textures at
> trackside like the other Radeon users have mentioned?
> dave henrie

Hi Dave

Catalyst 3.1, and very surprised to see NO transparent textures! Word of
warning though, you MUST turn off the connection meters when online as
they kill the frame rate by 33%.

Gerry

by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 03 Mar 2003 01:10:21

I'm afraid I have to second Gerry.

IL2 looks much better with the 9700 Pro and is at the same time faster than
with a GF4-4600. And, you can use OpenGL without a problem, it's still
faster and looks better than with the GF4-4600.

As for GPL, I'm using 1280x1024 with 4xAA and 8xAniso. It never leaves the
36fps mark, and there are no graphics errors. That was the same I got with
the GF4. but the Radeon's got a better 3d image quality and much better AA.

However, the Radeon is IMO more difficult to configure than the GF4-4600.
The GF4 on my system was plug and play - plug in, set to max quality, and
have fun.

With the Radeon, I had to battle stutters in online *** with IL2. The
stutters went away with the new Catalyst drivers (Feb. 10), as these are now
so fast in OpenGL that you can use OpenGL with IL2 at high quality settings
and get flawless fps. I still get moderate stutters online in D3D in IL2. It
is also important to clear out the Nvidia drivers well, especially in Win9x
(I did it in Safe Mode, installed Default PCI VGA card drivers for the GF4,
deinstalled Nvidia drivers using Nvidia's own deinstaller, and then check
the Registry for remainders), and to make sure you have nothing running in
the background. Anything running in the background, even if it doesn't do
anything, can lead to stutters.

Achim

by **Samuel Senio** » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:34:22

Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card.
This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so
that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is
300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots
OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims?
SPS

by **kero..** » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:56:06

You do disable the mobo card in the bios when using the Radeon I
suppose, otherwise you could end up with an oldfashioned hardware
conflict. Had lots of ATI trouble myself so now I swear by Nvidia
stuff, always worked for me, never had real troubles...

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 23:45:24

My son has a 9500 pro with a 300w power supply. Assuming yours is of
decent quality, then it should work.
dave henrie

by **Samuel Senio** » Sat, 08 Mar 2003 05:00:13

>> Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card.
>> This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so
>> that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is
>> 300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots
>> OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims?
>> SPS

> My son has a 9500 pro with a 300w power supply. Assuming yours is of
>decent quality, then it should work.
>dave henrie

That's encouraging. Haven't found solution yet. My son is a software
engineer. He is stumped. He links it's bios related. Hey, Portland
isn't that far from Spokane, how about coming down here and fix it for
me? Food and lodging provided! SPS

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 08 Mar 2003 10:54:19

>>> Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card.
>>> This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so
>>> that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is
>>> 300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots
>>> OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims?
>>> SPS

>> My son has a 9500 pro with a 300w power supply. Assuming yours is of
>>decent quality, then it should work.
>>dave henrie

> That's encouraging. Haven't found solution yet. My son is a software
> engineer. He is stumped. He links it's bios related. Hey, Portland
> isn't that far from Spokane, how about coming down here and fix it for
> me? Food and lodging provided! SPS

I do that stuff locally for friends of my wife...I have no friends...but
don't tell Goy what I charge. A 12pack of Diet Coke 12oz cans. That's
right, one half rack of DC for as many trips to your house it would take.
And they say America isn't the land of opportunity any more....
dave henrie

by **Samuel Senio** » Sat, 08 Mar 2003 17:32:12

>>>> Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card.
>>>> This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so
>>>> that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is
>>>> 300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots
>>>> OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims?
>>>> SPS

>>> My son has a 9500 pro with a 300w power supply. Assuming yours is of
>>>decent quality, then it should work.
>>>dave henrie

>> That's encouraging. Haven't found solution yet. My son is a software
>> engineer. He is stumped. He thinks it's bios related. Hey, Portland
>> isn't that far from Spokane, how about coming down here and fix it for
>> me? Food and lodging provided! SPS

> I do that stuff locally for friends of my wife...I have no friends...but
>don't tell Goy what I charge. A 12pack of Diet Coke 12oz cans. That's
>right, one half rack of DC for as many trips to your house it would take.
>And they say America isn't the land of opportunity any more....
>dave henrie

I'll have a wheelbarrow full of diet coke waiting. I doubt you can
claim you have no friends. You have been ready with suggestions for a
lot of people. That doesn't create enemies! I'm suspicious of the
power supply, as some people say they fade with time. Maybe next move
is to get one that will crank a Harley. Cheers,
Sam

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