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N2: qualk times vs. race times

Domin

N2: qualk times vs. race times

by Domin » Fri, 03 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their
qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of
gas?  In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than what
is actually achievable during a Nascar race.  Can anyone set me straight on
this (game vs. real life)?

Thanks.

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Jerry Hunnicut

N2: qualk times vs. race times

by Jerry Hunnicut » Fri, 03 Jan 1997 04:00:00

They will run slower in a race UNLESS they are drafting like at Dega where
they can pick up 2 to 3 mph. If u have watched Nascar lately, you will
notice that at the super speedways each team is trying to get the fluids
(oil-trans/differential lube) as hot as possible before qualifying hoping
to further lessen drag by thinning the fluids. I would imagine that a 5th
or 6th race lap would be very close to a qual lap since the fluids are even
hotter by that time. Just my 2 cents and no flames if I'm wrong...just my
OPINION. :)



Brian Motisk

N2: qualk times vs. race times

by Brian Motisk » Sat, 04 Jan 1997 04:00:00


> Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their
> qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of
> gas?  In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than what
> is actually achievable during a Nascar race.  Can anyone set me straight on
> this (game vs. real life)?

> Thanks.

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well nascar2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons so at the start your
laps will be quickest then and as tire ware takes effect the speeds drop
.  the tire wear is realistic in nascar2 if im on new tires compared to
ai's i can pass high low anywhere on the track.....
Domin

N2: qualk times vs. race times

by Domin » Sat, 04 Jan 1997 04:00:00



}>
}> Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their
}> qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of
}> gas?  In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than
what
}> is actually achievable during a Nascar race.  Can anyone set me straight
on
}> this (game vs. real life)?
}well nascar2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons so at the start your
}laps will be quickest then and as tire ware takes effect the speeds drop
}.

Yes, I know N2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons.  But why do the AI cars
run faster under racing condtions.  I qualified in the middle of the pack
at Rockingham (or was it another, hmmm...doesn't matter) and I started to
turn the very lap times that I qualified at (since I used the same setup).
But then the AI cars started to pass me like I was 1-2 seconds off of pace,
which I wasn't.  It was clear that the AI cars actually were turning faster
lap times than they qualified at.

In real life, isn't a qualifying lap a tad faster than what they can run in
a race (since they taped off the front grill, etc.)?  I have seen one where
they were running near qualifying times because they were drafting on a
super speedway.

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David Spark

N2: qualk times vs. race times

by David Spark » Sat, 04 Jan 1997 04:00:00


>Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their
>qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of
>gas?  In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than what
>is actually achievable during a Nascar race.  Can anyone set me straight on
>this (game vs. real life)?

On most tracks, qualifying times are faster than race times, the exceptions
being the restrictor plate tracks (Daytona and Talladega) where drafting
allows the cars to travel faster during the race.

As far as N2 is concerned, I know that Papyrus worked on balancing the AI
race speeds and qual speeds to those of the human player. Without the added
advantage of less fuel in the tank (ala NASCAR 1), it's much harder to put
together a decent qualifying lap. I typically run faster laps during the
race (once the tires are heated up) than I do in qualifying.

Dave (davids) Sparks
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Aw C'mon

N2: qualk times vs. race times

by Aw C'mon » Sat, 04 Jan 1997 04:00:00




> }>
> }> Anyone ever notice that the AI cars race much quicker than their
> }> qualifiying times even near the beginning of the race with full tanks of
> }> gas?  In reality, I thought qualifying times were always faster than
> what
> }> is actually achievable during a Nascar race.  Can anyone set me straight
> on
> }> this (game vs. real life)?

> }well nascar2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons so at the start your
> }laps will be quickest then and as tire ware takes effect the speeds drop
> }.

> Yes, I know N2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons.  But why do the AI cars
> run faster under racing condtions.  I qualified in the middle of the pack
> at Rockingham (or was it another, hmmm...doesn't matter) and I started to
> turn the very lap times that I qualified at (since I used the same setup).
> But then the AI cars started to pass me like I was 1-2 seconds off of pace,
> which I wasn't.  It was clear that the AI cars actually were turning faster
> lap times than they qualified at.

> In real life, isn't a qualifying lap a tad faster than what they can run in
> a race (since they taped off the front grill, etc.)?  I have seen one where
> they were running near qualifying times because they were drafting on a
> super speedway.

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I have never seen this.  The AI's qualifying times are always quicker
than race speeds.  Even if I qualify poorly, I can generally race the
pack because my race setups are competitive.  Check the setups you're
using; this could be the root of the problem, since you're probably
running a different setup to qualify with than to race with.  Also,
arcade mode will yield different results, I only play in sim mode.
Mike Radl

N2: qualk times vs. race times

by Mike Radl » Sat, 04 Jan 1997 04:00:00


>Yes, I know N2 is setup to qualify with 22 gallons.  But why do the AI cars
>run faster under racing condtions.  I qualified in the middle of the pack
>at Rockingham (or was it another, hmmm...doesn't matter) and I started to
>turn the very lap times that I qualified at (since I used the same setup).
>But then the AI cars started to pass me like I was 1-2 seconds off of pace,
>which I wasn't.  It was clear that the AI cars actually were turning faster
>lap times than they qualified at.
>In real life, isn't a qualifying lap a tad faster than what they can run in
>a race (since they taped off the front grill, etc.)?  I have seen one where
>they were running near qualifying times because they were drafting on a
>super speedway.

I think it's because the AI cars haven't been endowed with great qualifying
setups. I haven't either. My race laps (and I believe the AI's) are faster
than my qualifying laps because my tires etc... are warmer and my
fuel/weight is dropping. Nascar1 was not this way. AI cars qualified too
well and didn't suffer from cold tires at the start of the race. If I set
the opponent strength in NCR1 where I could qualify well I would be way too
fast for the AI cars during the race. Nascar2 is better, believe me.

Mike Radler


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