Ah, SODA, a sim ahead of it's time.
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>In***pit view, there's a rendered steering wheel that moves when you do. I
>don't understand at all! There's already a REAL wheel right infront of you,
>in the proper spot, and it moves when you do. In***pit view, you look
>through the car's winshield, and are obstructed by the car's dash. But,
>you're already looking through a winshield (your monitor) and you're already
>obstructed by the size of that monitor.
>I just don't understand it. You can see your own wheel, and you look through
>a glass monitor only to see an emulated wheel and glass winshield. Seems
>sort of redundant to me.
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> > What I'm saying is that since the monitor is 2 feet away from my face,
then
> > the viewpoint should be 2 feet infront of where the drivers head would
be in
> > the car.
> I don't think that's what you're saying. :)
> I think what you're saying is that the user should be allowed to
> specify the POV and FOV for himself. as a former unix programmer, I
> whole-heartedly agree with this line of thinking. :)
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I don't think he is talking about changing the Field of View (FOV), rather
just MOVING the camera (POV) forward within the 3d space in the game. This
has no effect on FOV and would provide the correct viewing height without
the obstruction of the dashboard, pillars, etc. I agree with Mike B. - it
would be my an excellent point of view.
No kidding... I just went 15 laps at the Ring (2nd to Joe Sembach at 6m45s
and last active runner <g>) and near the end my neck hurted like hell. But I
need this computer to work on (i.e. don't want to mess with the arrangement
for simming) and don't have room for a dedicated installation.... one gets
used to it and aspirin is cheap.
Jan.
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> > In***pit view, there's a rendered steering wheel that moves when
> > you do.
> yes, and that SUCKS. Papyrus seem to be just about the only company
> that knows I don't have four arms.
> > I just don't understand it. You can see your own wheel, and you look
through
> > a glass monitor only to see an emulated wheel and glass winshield. Seems
> > sort of redundant to me.
> the window frame is a good reference for a lot of stuff. if a sim
> implements head movements (not left-right, but a head thats bumping
> around),***pit view greatly adds to the driving feeling, and
> provides a lot of feedback.
> > WHY isn't there a view from about where the winshield is?
> you mean you've found a game that features a***pit camera, but no
> hood camera?
> > What I mean is,
> > the viewpoint should be placed 2 feet infront of where your head would
be
> > (about where the winshield is).
> > Think about it, my face is 2 feet from my monitor, so shouldn't the
monitor
> > be displaying from the point of view 2 feet infront of where the
driver's
> > head is (about where the winshield is).
> that argument isn't very good. or, rather, it is, but it carries with
> it another thing that wouldn't be very beneficial. the field of view
> would be about 20-25 degrees, and if you ignore that, the whole
> argument falls on its face. :)
> > I've tried to drive lots of games on the***pit view, and couldn't
stand
> > doing it at all.
> well, then don't. it's not like you need our permission or anything. :)
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There was a lot more to my message than "Why is there a wheeeel?? I don't
like it".
But anyways, I do appreciate the turning off the wheel option in certain
games, and yes I've noticed it was there.
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> > Hey all-
> > I noticed 90% of you simulation people swear by the***Pit (in-car)
view.
> I
> > just have a few questions as to why...
> > If you are sitting at your desk, you have your steering wheel already
> > infront of you. You also have a window that you look out of (your
> monitor),
> > right?
> > In***pit view, there's a rendered steering wheel that moves when you
do.
> I
> > don't understand at all! There's already a REAL wheel right infront of
> you,
> > in the proper spot, and it moves when you do. In***pit view, you look
> > through the car's winshield, and are obstructed by the car's dash. But,
> > you're already looking through a winshield (your monitor) and you're
> already
> > obstructed by the size of that monitor.
> > I just don't understand it. You can see your own wheel, and you look
> through
> > a glass monitor only to see an emulated wheel and glass winshield. Seems
> > sort of redundant to me.
> > WHY isn't there a view from about where the winshield is? What I mean
is,
> > the viewpoint should be placed 2 feet infront of where your head would
be
> > (about where the winshield is).
> > Think about it, my face is 2 feet from my monitor, so shouldn't the
> monitor
> > be displaying from the point of view 2 feet infront of where the
driver's
> > head is (about where the winshield is).
> > I understand the***pit view, if I was WEARING my monitor on my head...
> > I've tried to drive lots of games on the***pit view, and couldn't
stand
> > doing it at all. The best view I find is the view that is fullscreen
> without
> > anything infront of it. This is usually the "Bumper" or "Bonnet" type
> view.
> > But, I'm sure as you know there are a few problems with that. With a
> > "Bumper" view, your POV is a lot lower to the ground than it would be if
> you
> > were actually in the car.
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> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
I still say they need a SODA 2...or at least make a D3D or OpenGL patch for
the first one. =)
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> There was a lot more to my message than "Why is there a wheeeel?? I don't
> like it".
> But anyways, I do appreciate the turning off the wheel option in certain
> games, and yes I've noticed it was there.
> --
> Mike Beauchamp
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > Thats why there is an option to turn off the wheel. lol.
> > > Hey all-
> > > I noticed 90% of you simulation people swear by the***Pit (in-car)
> view.
> > I
> > > just have a few questions as to why...
> > > If you are sitting at your desk, you have your steering wheel already
> > > infront of you. You also have a window that you look out of (your
> > monitor),
> > > right?
> > > In***pit view, there's a rendered steering wheel that moves when you
> do.
> > I
> > > don't understand at all! There's already a REAL wheel right infront of
> > you,
> > > in the proper spot, and it moves when you do. In***pit view, you
look
> > > through the car's winshield, and are obstructed by the car's dash.
But,
> > > you're already looking through a winshield (your monitor) and you're
> > already
> > > obstructed by the size of that monitor.
> > > I just don't understand it. You can see your own wheel, and you look
> > through
> > > a glass monitor only to see an emulated wheel and glass winshield.
Seems
> > > sort of redundant to me.
> > > WHY isn't there a view from about where the winshield is? What I mean
> is,
> > > the viewpoint should be placed 2 feet infront of where your head would
> be
> > > (about where the winshield is).
> > > Think about it, my face is 2 feet from my monitor, so shouldn't the
> > monitor
> > > be displaying from the point of view 2 feet infront of where the
> driver's
> > > head is (about where the winshield is).
> > > I understand the***pit view, if I was WEARING my monitor on my
head...
> > > I've tried to drive lots of games on the***pit view, and couldn't
> stand
> > > doing it at all. The best view I find is the view that is fullscreen
> > without
> > > anything infront of it. This is usually the "Bumper" or "Bonnet" type
> > view.
> > > But, I'm sure as you know there are a few problems with that. With a
> > > "Bumper" view, your POV is a lot lower to the ground than it would be
if
> > you
> > > were actually in the car.
> > > --
> > > Mike Beauchamp
> > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
I actually prefer to race with my monitor strapped to my head.
But the duct tape really hurts when I'm finished.
The thing I really hate, is when I use a joystick instead of the wheel,
I see another joystick on the screen, where the wheel used to be.
I find that very annoying.
I haven't tried using the keyboard yet.......
Happy New Year to all.
Enjoy your racing, no matter which view you use, or game you play.
(snip)
Don't bother with trying to steer with a keyboard. I tried it....I
picked up the keyboard and turned it left...nothing happened. I turned it
right...nothing happened. I shook the keyboard...nothing happened. I just
don't get how folks steer with one of those things...
:)
dave henrie
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