rec.autos.simulators

by **Bart Brow** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:08:23

Considering the speed of the G3 and G4 Macs, and the recent availability
of halfway decent video cards, is it possible to run GPL on a Mac
running either Connectix VirtualPC or an OrangeMicro "Wintel-on-a-card"?

Curious...

BB

by **Milhous** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:40:22

Can those progs emulate DirectX at all?

Something tells me the Wintel-on-a-card won't necessarily unless it's
packing a pretty good amount of heat on that card...

Milhouse

by **Biz** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:20:51

That may be the bigger issue, the last time I used Virtual PC, it didn't support DirectX, which may
still be the case. If it is, then GPL has no shot of running on a MAC platform(Thank God). (Just
Kidding) Macs are good for desktop publishing and nothing more, and their ***hold on the DP
market is pretty much over now.

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> Can those progs emulate DirectX at all?

> Something tells me the Wintel-on-a-card won't necessarily unless it's
> packing a pretty good amount of heat on that card...

> Milhouse

> > Considering the speed of the G3 and G4 Macs, and the recent availability
> > of halfway decent video cards, is it possible to run GPL on a Mac
> > running either Connectix VirtualPC or an OrangeMicro "Wintel-on-a-card"?

> > Curious...

> > BB

by **Fuji Sarton** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:32:23

VPC5 for OS X now supports Direct X to a certain extent but in terms of
emulating a PC, VPC5 is no where near to a decent PC.

> That may be the bigger issue, the last time I used Virtual PC, it didn't
> support DirectX, which may
> still be the case. If it is, then GPL has no shot of running on a MAC
> platform(Thank God). (Just
> Kidding) Macs are good for desktop publishing and nothing more, and their
> ***hold on the DP
> market is pretty much over now.

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

>> Can those progs emulate DirectX at all?

>> Something tells me the Wintel-on-a-card won't necessarily unless it's
>> packing a pretty good amount of heat on that card...

>> Milhouse

>>> Considering the speed of the G3 and G4 Macs, and the recent availability
>>> of halfway decent video cards, is it possible to run GPL on a Mac
>>> running either Connectix VirtualPC or an OrangeMicro "Wintel-on-a-card"?

>>> Curious...

>>> BB

by **The Other Larr** » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:08:01

They run FULLY operational copies of Windows so DirectX is not an issue.

I'm not guaranteeing that it will work, but if it doesn't it won't be
because of DirectX :)

-Larry

> Can those progs emulate DirectX at all?

> Something tells me the Wintel-on-a-card won't necessarily unless it's
> packing a pretty good amount of heat on that card...

> Milhouse

> > Considering the speed of the G3 and G4 Macs, and the recent availability
> > of halfway decent video cards, is it possible to run GPL on a Mac
> > running either Connectix VirtualPC or an OrangeMicro "Wintel-on-a-card"?

> > Curious...

> > BB

by **Bart Brow** » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:09:52

So -- please, everyone, bear with my ignorance -- what about a fairly
fast (G3/400) Mac running Virtual PC and with, say, a Radeon Mac Edition
video card (32Mb DDR), which supports DirectX?

BB

by **Biz** » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:34:02

Read the replies, it seems there is no concensus on whether DirectX runs or not, you're only option
would be to ask someone at Virtual PC about DirectX support. You could always try it on you're own.
"Fully-functional" as Larry wrote needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I could never get any
version of Virtual PC to offer a "Fully functional" Windows environment on any of the newer MAC's.

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> So -- please, everyone, bear with my ignorance -- what about a fairly
> fast (G3/400) Mac running Virtual PC and with, say, a Radeon Mac Edition
> video card (32Mb DDR), which supports DirectX?

> BB

by **The Other Larr** » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 02:13:31

Ok... Fully Functional - In Theory :)

That better ?

-Larry

or not, you're only option
always try it on you're own.
I could never get any
on any of the newer MAC's.

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

by **jason moy** » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:50:41

Unless Virtual PC bridges all of the hardware perfectly so that
Windows can use all of the features of it, you will not be able to use
nearly all of the features of DirectX.

Go into the Device Manager in the copy of Windows running in your
emulator and look at the video/sound/game devices and their drivers.
Unless the drivers installed are 100% DirectX compatible you will not
be able to run software that requires a full implementeation of DX.
Just to illustrate this further...imagine you're on a real PC. If a
game requires full DirectX 8 implementation and you're using a Voodoo
3 guess what - the game won't work. It's no different in an emulator.
If you see "Standard SVGA Card" or "Virtual PC SVGA" or any other non
DX compliant device listed in the Device Manager in the emulated copy
of windows, then games that require DX will not run.

If the control panel shows a valid DX-compatible soundcard and
videocard then I see no reason why it wouldn't work. However, I'm
guessing that Virtual PC works sort of like VMWare (or any other
hardware emulator) in that it just creates a generic set of devices
with generic drivers and maps all of those generic devices to real
devices on the system in such a way that the emulated OS only sees
generic devices present. The solution would seem to be to do a device
A=device B mapping between the host OS and the emulated OS but if you
could do that then...you could just run the emulated OS without an
emulator.

Jason

OT: Also, my favorite way of making myself feel like I'm on LSD - from
a Linux workstation running Windowmaker, install a copy of Windows in
VMWare and give the emulated ethernet interface it's own IP via a
virtual interface in Linux. Install an X server in the emulated copy
of Windows (something like XCeed will work) and use the X server to
connect to the real IP of your workstation to run Windowmaker
remotely. Seems normal until you change themes in the copy of
WindowMaker running in the X server in the emulated copy of windows
and realize that the copy of WindowMaker you're doing all of this in
is using the same config files and changing too. Trippy.

> They run FULLY operational copies of Windows so DirectX is not an issue.

> I'm not guaranteeing that it will work, but if it doesn't it won't be
> because of DirectX :)

> -Larry

> > Can those progs emulate DirectX at all?

> > Something tells me the Wintel-on-a-card won't necessarily unless it's
> > packing a pretty good amount of heat on that card...

> > Milhouse

> > > Considering the speed of the G3 and G4 Macs, and the recent availability
> > > of halfway decent video cards, is it possible to run GPL on a Mac
> > > running either Connectix VirtualPC or an OrangeMicro "Wintel-on-a-card"?

> > > Curious...

> > > BB

by **Loren Nerel** » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:38:44

In article

> That may be the bigger issue, the last time I used Virtual PC, it didn't
> support DirectX, which may
> still be the case.

Well I just checked their FAQ and it doesn't say anything about DrectX
at all. Their FAQ seemed to suggest that they don't support games in
general except for very old games. Another issue is they don't support
3D hardware, only 2D which is probably a bigger issue.

On the other hand SoftWindows/RealPC does support DirectX and 3DXF
cards.

Yeah right sure you are. For what it's worth I have heard that some
people have gotten GPL to run on their mac using RealPC but I haven't
seen it with my own eyes. I'll let you know when I get my new mac next
month. One of the first things I plan to do is to try running GPL on it
in Win emulation, probably using RealPC.

What about audio recording? Most professional studios use macs. How
about video editing? Its been and still is the Macs domain. Macs are
great tools for many creative applications.

Take care.

- Loren

by **The Other Larr** » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:56:40

I thought DirectX support was far better than that. Sorry :(

-Larry

> In article

> > That may be the bigger issue, the last time I used Virtual PC, it didn't
> > support DirectX, which may
> > still be the case.

> Well I just checked their FAQ and it doesn't say anything about DrectX
> at all. Their FAQ seemed to suggest that they don't support games in
> general except for very old games. Another issue is they don't support
> 3D hardware, only 2D which is probably a bigger issue.

> On the other hand SoftWindows/RealPC does support DirectX and 3DXF
> cards.

> >If it is, then GPL has no shot of running on a MAC
> > platform(Thank God). (Just Kidding)

> Yeah right sure you are. For what it's worth I have heard that some
> people have gotten GPL to run on their mac using RealPC but I haven't
> seen it with my own eyes. I'll let you know when I get my new mac next
> month. One of the first things I plan to do is to try running GPL on it
> in Win emulation, probably using RealPC.

> > Macs are good for desktop publishing and nothing more

> What about audio recording? Most professional studios use macs. How
> about video editing? Its been and still is the Macs domain. Macs are
> great tools for many creative applications.

> Take care.

> - Loren

by **Biz** » Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:47:14

The few modern recording studios I have been in in LA were all PC based. not a mac in sight? I
don't think anyone uses them anymore.

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> In article

> > That may be the bigger issue, the last time I used Virtual PC, it didn't
> > support DirectX, which may
> > still be the case.

> Well I just checked their FAQ and it doesn't say anything about DrectX
> at all. Their FAQ seemed to suggest that they don't support games in
> general except for very old games. Another issue is they don't support
> 3D hardware, only 2D which is probably a bigger issue.

> On the other hand SoftWindows/RealPC does support DirectX and 3DXF
> cards.

> >If it is, then GPL has no shot of running on a MAC
> > platform(Thank God). (Just Kidding)

> Yeah right sure you are. For what it's worth I have heard that some
> people have gotten GPL to run on their mac using RealPC but I haven't
> seen it with my own eyes. I'll let you know when I get my new mac next
> month. One of the first things I plan to do is to try running GPL on it
> in Win emulation, probably using RealPC.

> > Macs are good for desktop publishing and nothing more

> What about audio recording? Most professional studios use macs. How
> about video editing? Its been and still is the Macs domain. Macs are
> great tools for many creative applications.

> Take care.

> - Loren

by **Loren Nerel** » Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:25:35

In article

> The few modern recording studios I have been in in LA were all PC based. not
> a mac in sight? I
> don't think anyone uses them anymore.

Sounds like the only part of a recording studio you have been in is the
front desk! I suggest going into the proper recording studio next time
to see if they have any Macs . . . if they will let you in.

Take care.

Loren

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