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by **Marc Collin** » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:01:50

We don't know...and I didn't care. It was a brand new MB and CPU so I was
just happy to have the problem solved. The MB was obviously the last thing
we tried...I still am amazed (and I am IT guy).

Marc.

> Marc,

> Read yer reply. You say the prob was the mobo, but you don't say what the
> mobo was doing to o'heat yer CPU? Faulty volt reg, incorrect
readings...or
> what?

> --Steve

> > Steve, see my reply at Legends Central.

> > Marc

> > > Just upgraded to a 1.33-GHz Thunderbird & its temp (ca. 50 deg. C.)
> seems
> > > alarming. Not overclocked AND I have 8 fans a blowing. Is this
> nominal?

> > > --Steve Smith

by **Stephen Smit** » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:41:40

Marc,

A cracked mobo was the last thing I checked (it had been working ok in
another physical box) on a P3, even after 6 weeks of intermittant hard
resets (power cycles). I thought it was power-related. Upgraded UPS, PS,
even site wiring. Hello?

--Steve

> We don't know...and I didn't care. It was a brand new MB and CPU so I was
> just happy to have the problem solved. The MB was obviously the last
thing
> we tried...I still am amazed (and I am IT guy).

> Marc.

> > Marc,

> > Read yer reply. You say the prob was the mobo, but you don't say what
the
> > mobo was doing to o'heat yer CPU? Faulty volt reg, incorrect
> readings...or
> > what?

> > --Steve

by **Bart Westr** » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:16:30

I think it is fine now. I added a second hard drive some months ago, then
the room temp went up during summer. I found out by accident that the system
was running so hot when I was installing a second system (my GPL server:) It
never showed any instabilty.
Now the power supply fan is working and blowing out, the case fan is blowing
in, the case is cool and I fry my eggs in the kitchen again ;-)

Bart

by **Raymond, ACT LAB** » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:05:14

Hello,

I had huge problem with heat on my older system. I tried fans and
everything. The best thing you can do, IMHO, is to move to a larger
case. I have WAY more components in my box now and am running cooler
than before after moving to a large 24 inch tower.

Raymond, ACT LABS

ACT LABS Force RS and RS Shifter
AMD TBird 1 GHz on Abit KT7-R
Micron PC133 768 Megs RAM
Win 2K/Win98SE dual boot
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP; ATI Radeon PCI
2 x Samsung 900NF dual display
ATI TV Tuner USB
Diamond MX400; Altec Lansing ADA890
DLink 538TX
2xIBM 75GXP 7200rpm 46.1 Gig;RAID 0
Fujitsu 8.4 Gig; Fujitsu 17.3 Gig

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:15:58 GMT, Galley_SimRacer

>> Just upgraded to a 1.33-GHz Thunderbird & its temp (ca. 50 deg. C.)
>> seems
>> alarming. Not overclocked AND I have 8 fans a blowing. Is this
>> nominal?

>> --Steve Smith

>Mine's a 1.4GHz with the standard AMD fan and heatsink and only one
>generic 80cm fan in the case. It runs about 42 Celsius.

by **Rafe McAulif** » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:41:27

Whoa there, an 80 cm fan would be pretty impressive. Even more
impressive would be the 1.5 metre case to fit it into. ;-)

Wouldn't want to try and get to sleep next to that baby :-o

Rafe Mc

by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:03:37

> Wow, those temps are pretty warm there! Anything getting into the 60's
> is way too hot IMO, must be something wrong with his cooling.

> 50 deg isn't too bad, but with 8 fans I would have though it'd be
> lower than that. Still, it's within a reasonable range. But like
> others mentioned, the temp sensors can be dodgy. What mobo you using?

> with the case on, but system temp is getting to 30+ deg. Obviously if
> you have a higher system temp, then the cpu temp will be higher again.
> Problem is, those temps can lead to big reliability probs as you've
> found. so a good call with that fan there :)

Actually, this all depends on the MoBo you are using, ASUS A7V and
A7V133 will have my 1333 in the mid 60's at 100% CPU load, my A7M266
runs at high 40's low 50's with the same CPU, I actually swapped it
between 3 PC's here in the shop, so seeing mid 60's is not alarming
depending on your MoBo

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by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:09:35

> Just upgraded to a 1.33-GHz Thunderbird & its temp (ca. 50 deg. C.) seems
> alarming. Not overclocked AND I have 8 fans a blowing. Is this nominal?

Depends on your MoBo, some will report temps in the mid to high 60's
under full load, I wouldn't worry about it too much, the AMD 's run a
fair bit hooter than the P3's

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by **Stephen Smit** » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 04:45:13

Goy,

I thought the diff betw. an A7A and an A7M was that the latter uses only DDR
RAM. Could this be causing the huge temp diff? It's my A7A266 (w. the
ridiculously-yclept AliMAGIK chipset) that's running hot. I also have an
A7V266 on order (prolly what I should have ordered in the first place); can
I expect to fry eggs on this one, too?

--Steve

> > Wow, those temps are pretty warm there! Anything getting into the 60's
> > is way too hot IMO, must be something wrong with his cooling.

> > 50 deg isn't too bad, but with 8 fans I would have though it'd be
> > lower than that. Still, it's within a reasonable range. But like
> > others mentioned, the temp sensors can be dodgy. What mobo you using?

> > with the case on, but system temp is getting to 30+ deg. Obviously if
> > you have a higher system temp, then the cpu temp will be higher again.
> > Problem is, those temps can lead to big reliability probs as you've
> > found. so a good call with that fan there :)

> Actually, this all depends on the MoBo you are using, ASUS A7V and
> A7V133 will have my 1333 in the mid 60's at 100% CPU load, my A7M266
> runs at high 40's low 50's with the same CPU, I actually swapped it
> between 3 PC's here in the shop, so seeing mid 60's is not alarming
> depending on your MoBo

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

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by **Rafe McAulif** » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:07:10

Wow Goy, that's a fair difference. I know that the A7V and A7V133
mobos tend to report higher temps, mainly due to the temp probe
actually touching the base of the CPU. Still, that's a hell of a
difference. Does the A7M266 temp probe touch the cpu base as well?

I know my Iwill mobo tends to read a few deg cooler than other mobo's,
so maybe we're all guessing in the dark as to what the *actual*
temperature is. And even between different examples of the same model
mobo. The only thing you can be sure of is that if you alter the
cooling, the difference between the before and after states is pretty
accurate.

Rafe Mc

by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:34:57

> >Actually, this all depends on the MoBo you are using, ASUS A7V and
> >A7V133 will have my 1333 in the mid 60's at 100% CPU load, my A7M266
> >runs at high 40's low 50's with the same CPU, I actually swapped it
> >between 3 PC's here in the shop, so seeing mid 60's is not alarming
> >depending on your MoBo

> Wow Goy, that's a fair difference. I know that the A7V and A7V133
> mobos tend to report higher temps, mainly due to the temp probe
> actually touching the base of the CPU. Still, that's a hell of a
> difference. Does the A7M266 temp probe touch the cpu base as well?

Not sure, I'd have to rip the CPU off to find out as we don't have any
in stock right now, and I'm not crawling in there right now :-), but it
seems reasonable that they've changed the way they measure this to be
more in line with the rest of the MoBo manufacturers

Exactly, it would surprise me a lot if the actual temp on the CPU varied
more than a couple of degrees from one MoBo to the next, CPU's
themselves are different story though...., but I've yet to see any tests
that confirm this using an actual temp probe, but then again I'm no
electronics expert, I just build these things and talk from experience,
if somebody knows otherwise, I'd be interested in a link to the article
or something

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:56:37

> Goy,

> I thought the diff betw. an A7A and an A7M was that the latter uses only DDR
> RAM. Could this be causing the huge temp diff? It's my A7A266 (w. the
> ridiculously-yclept AliMAGIK chipset) that's running hot. I also have an
> A7V266 on order (prolly what I should have ordered in the first place); can
> I expect to fry eggs on this one, too?

As I told Rafe in my other reply just now, I think it has more to do
with the way they are measuring the temps, physically, than in the
actual temps we would see using an independent temp probe, could easily
be that ASUS has changed this to be more in line with other
manufacturers on their latest boards

They have an A7V266 as well ?

I must have missed that one, but if it's the A7M266 you will more than
likely see a significant drop in CPU temps, my 1333 running at 1420,
original voltage, case lid off and a GlobalWin WBK68 HS/Fan (got tired
of the noise from my FOP38 or whatever I was using on that PC earlier
:-) runs at 49-51 C under 100 CPU load using the UD client, and it's
running 24/7 like this, this very same CPU ran at 65-67 C in an ASUS
A7V/133 board, I switched MoBo just a couple of weeks ago

Is there any particular reason you don't seem to like the A7A266 ?

I'm just asking so that I can provide my customers with better advice as
I have no personal experience with that one, nor have I actually sold
any so far so I haven't gotten any feedback

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by **Rafe McAulif** » Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:57:06

I know that another guy who has a CompuNurse probe measured a constant
10deg higher with his probe. Mind you, that was on *his* particular
board, an Iwill KK266, which has a probe which doesn't touch the cpu
base. It sits about 5mm below the cpu base.

www.athlonoc.com has a lot of article and links on this stuff, and an
excellen forum as well if you're keen.

Rafe Mc

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 26 Aug 2001 06:29:10

> I know that another guy who has a CompuNurse probe measured a constant
> 10deg higher with his probe. Mind you, that was on *his* particular
> board, an Iwill KK266, which has a probe which doesn't touch the cpu
> base. It sits about 5mm below the cpu base.

> www.athlonoc.com has a lot of article and links on this stuff, and an
> excellen forum as well if you're keen.

I may take a look around there, thx for tip Rafe

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