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Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

Dave Henri

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Dave Henri » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:24:39



   well it still means Rubens gets the short end of the stick, but, they
either have to be public about it....i.e. holding up a Pit Sign for all the
world to see, or be covert...put a pre-arranged message on the pitboard.  
Knowing F1 teams, I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't arrange for some
sort of secret message...Something like if you see a certain image on the
Jumbo-tron..pull over.  Then slip the video director a few million $$ to
get your image displayed when you need it.
dave henrie

Richard S Becket

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Richard S Becket » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:54:41

But at least now the driver can argue that he never saw it. I believe even
reading a pit board is very tricky at their speeds.

keit

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by keit » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:16:33


>Should make for some pretty fun video games in the next coming years :)

>I like those changes a lot actually.. Although, I gotta admit.. I would have
>liked to see how high-tech the cars would have gotten in years to come.

>Mike

We did see some of that in the days of the active Williams - which Mansell said a monkey
could drive. Funny - I thought a monkey was driving :)

Seriously - I like the removal of the driving aids, especially traction control. No words
of tyre or aero changes or restoring the cars to sensible width though, so the races will
still be like train races.

Keith.

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mcewe

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by mcewe » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 06:36:09

That rule was pretty much a given once they came up with 1 lap
qualifying, otherwise there would be "qualifying specials" with little
or no cooling, different sidepods etc...

David G Fishe

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by David G Fishe » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:04:57



> > Poor JPM. He screws up his pit stops even with driver/pit communication.

> David, keep this on rasf1.

No, I think I'll post what I want.

I got what I wanted anyway. More proof that it's ok for multiple people
(Doug, yourself, Txl, Dave H.) to rip into MS in multiple threads over the
past couple of days, but as soon as someone takes a shot at an r.a.s.
favorite, they are the bad boy.

David G Fisher

Txl

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Txl » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:07:35

well for once I agree with you, but I'd blame more williams than JPM for
screwing the pitstops, they have a HISTORY of it....I cannot help
remembering the time that mansell exited the pits at suzuka on 3
wheels.....what a glorious sight !!!!

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> > > Poor JPM. He screws up his pit stops even with driver/pit
communication.

> > David, keep this on rasf1.

> No, I think I'll post what I want.

> I got what I wanted anyway. More proof that it's ok for multiple people
> (Doug, yourself, Txl, Dave H.) to rip into MS in multiple threads over the
> past couple of days, but as soon as someone takes a shot at an r.a.s.
> favorite, they are the bad boy.

> David G Fisher

ymenar

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by ymenar » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:59:16


> I got what I wanted anyway. More proof that it's ok for multiple people
> (Doug, yourself, Txl, Dave H.) to rip into MS in multiple threads over the
> past couple of days, but as soon as someone takes a shot at an r.a.s.
> favorite, they are the bad boy.

The difference is, we *discuss* about F1 and their drivers here, we don't
troll like you did over in rasf1.

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David G Fishe

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by David G Fishe » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:32:45



> > I got what I wanted anyway. More proof that it's ok for multiple people
> > (Doug, yourself, Txl, Dave H.) to rip into MS in multiple threads over
the
> > past couple of days, but as soon as someone takes a shot at an r.a.s.
> > favorite, they are the bad boy.

> The difference is, we *discuss* about F1 and their drivers here, we don't
> troll like you did over in rasf1.

You don't call these cheap shots at a five time champion?

"I'm glad of this - it means they cant hit the "bend over and pick up the
soap" button for Rubens" Ellison

"no, htye will have to find a way to do it with the pit board, VERY
difficult, like "if we put your flag after the laptime then you must let him
pass", or "if we put fuel press on the pitboard then you must let him pass",
or even easier when he comes ion for the last refuel "if we bang you on the
head then you must let him pass"...."
--Txl

"well it still means Rubens gets the short end of the stick, but, they
either have to be public about it....i.e. holding up a Pit Sign for all the
world to see, or be covert...put a pre-arranged message on the pitboard.
Knowing F1 teams, I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't arrange for some
sort of secret message...Something like if you see a certain image on the
Jumbo-tron..pull over.  Then slip the video director a few million $$ to
get your image displayed when you need it."
--dave henrie

Not until he gets an equal driver in his team, showing he's not so superior
and "legend-like" then we might think.
--ymenard

What I said was absolutely true. "Poor JPM. He screws up his pit stops even
with driver/pit communication."

Twice this past season he did that. He was ripped publically by Head after
the second time.
----
Montoya owned up to a basic error later in the race when he misread a pit
board and came in for his pitstop 10 laps too early.

"I made a huge mistake," he said and Head was scathing about the incident.

"Juan imagined something that was never on the pit-board, didn't follow his
procedures, didn't communicate to the pits in the way that he is supposed to
and decided to come into the pits," he said.

"It's something that if he is going to make use of the talent that he has as
a driver then it is a side of his performance that he has got to put more
attention to."
---

See? It's ok to rip MS here, but apparently bad, bad, bad to simply make a
statement of fact about JPM.

David G Fisher

Tony Rickar

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Tony Rickar » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:53:02

David, you should know better than ripping into three letter acronyms
here...

Gerry Aitke

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Gerry Aitke » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:00:24





> > > I got what I wanted anyway. More proof that it's ok for multiple people
> > > (Doug, yourself, Txl, Dave H.) to rip into MS in multiple threads over
> the
> > > past couple of days, but as soon as someone takes a shot at an r.a.s.
> > > favorite, they are the bad boy.

> > The difference is, we *discuss* about F1 and their drivers here, we don't
> > troll like you did over in rasf1.

> You don't call these cheap shots at a five time champion?

> "I'm glad of this - it means they cant hit the "bend over and pick up the
> soap" button for Rubens" Ellison

> "no, htye will have to find a way to do it with the pit board, VERY
> difficult, like "if we put your flag after the laptime then you must let him
> pass", or "if we put fuel press on the pitboard then you must let him pass",
> or even easier when he comes ion for the last refuel "if we bang you on the
> head then you must let him pass"...."
> --Txl

> "well it still means Rubens gets the short end of the stick, but, they
> either have to be public about it....i.e. holding up a Pit Sign for all the
> world to see, or be covert...put a pre-arranged message on the pitboard.
> Knowing F1 teams, I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't arrange for some
> sort of secret message...Something like if you see a certain image on the
> Jumbo-tron..pull over.  Then slip the video director a few million $$ to
> get your image displayed when you need it."
> --dave henrie

> > BTW, isn't Michael Schumacher a legend right now?

> Not until he gets an equal driver in his team, showing he's not so superior
> and "legend-like" then we might think.
> --ymenard

> What I said was absolutely true. "Poor JPM. He screws up his pit stops even
> with driver/pit communication."

> Twice this past season he did that. He was ripped publically by Head after
> the second time.
> ----
> Montoya owned up to a basic error later in the race when he misread a pit
> board and came in for his pitstop 10 laps too early.

> "I made a huge mistake," he said and Head was scathing about the incident.

> "Juan imagined something that was never on the pit-board, didn't follow his
> procedures, didn't communicate to the pits in the way that he is supposed to
> and decided to come into the pits," he said.

> "It's something that if he is going to make use of the talent that he has as
> a driver then it is a side of his performance that he has got to put more
> attention to."
> ---

> See? It's ok to rip MS here, but apparently bad, bad, bad to simply make a
> statement of fact about JPM.

> David G Fisher

Is MS an extension of your ***?
David G Fishe

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by David G Fishe » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:20:00






> > > > I got what I wanted anyway. More proof that it's ok for multiple
people
> > > > (Doug, yourself, Txl, Dave H.) to rip into MS in multiple threads
over
> > the
> > > > past couple of days, but as soon as someone takes a shot at an
r.a.s.
> > > > favorite, they are the bad boy.

> > > The difference is, we *discuss* about F1 and their drivers here, we
don't
> > > troll like you did over in rasf1.

> > You don't call these cheap shots at a five time champion?

> > "I'm glad of this - it means they cant hit the "bend over and pick up
the
> > soap" button for Rubens" Ellison

> > "no, htye will have to find a way to do it with the pit board, VERY
> > difficult, like "if we put your flag after the laptime then you must let
him
> > pass", or "if we put fuel press on the pitboard then you must let him
pass",
> > or even easier when he comes ion for the last refuel "if we bang you on
the
> > head then you must let him pass"...."
> > --Txl

> > "well it still means Rubens gets the short end of the stick, but, they
> > either have to be public about it....i.e. holding up a Pit Sign for all
the
> > world to see, or be covert...put a pre-arranged message on the pitboard.
> > Knowing F1 teams, I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't arrange for some
> > sort of secret message...Something like if you see a certain image on
the
> > Jumbo-tron..pull over.  Then slip the video director a few million $$ to
> > get your image displayed when you need it."
> > --dave henrie

> > > BTW, isn't Michael Schumacher a legend right now?

> > Not until he gets an equal driver in his team, showing he's not so
superior
> > and "legend-like" then we might think.
> > --ymenard

> > What I said was absolutely true. "Poor JPM. He screws up his pit stops
even
> > with driver/pit communication."

> > Twice this past season he did that. He was ripped publically by Head
after
> > the second time.
> > ----
> > Montoya owned up to a basic error later in the race when he misread a
pit
> > board and came in for his pitstop 10 laps too early.

> > "I made a huge mistake," he said and Head was scathing about the
incident.

> > "Juan imagined something that was never on the pit-board, didn't follow
his
> > procedures, didn't communicate to the pits in the way that he is
supposed to
> > and decided to come into the pits," he said.

> > "It's something that if he is going to make use of the talent that he
has as
> > a driver then it is a side of his performance that he has got to put
more
> > attention to."
> > ---

> > See? It's ok to rip MS here, but apparently bad, bad, bad to simply make
a
> > statement of fact about JPM.

> > David G Fisher

> Is MS an extension of your ***?

Gerry, I know you've been sticking your tiny little dingy through the hole
in your GPL CD for a long time now, but not everyone needs a ***
extension.

David G Fisher

David Butter

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by David Butter » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:51:08


<snip>

Hooray. Though I'd have liked to have seen a return to *fully* manual
gearboxes, so's there's at least a tiny chance of overtaking at
Monaco when someone misses a gear.

<snip>

Pitboards! Yay! I love pitboards! <cough>

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Dave Henri

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Dave Henri » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:08:54

"David G Fisher"
    Well I 'thought' I was being fairly neutral.  The Urban Legend(or
common knowledge I don't know which) has Ruebens contractually bound to be
#2.  So I wasn't roasting MS, just Rueben's situation(which I freely admit
he entered into with both eyes wide open--and he makes very good money from
that contract)
    I even did NOT single out Ferrari when it came to hiding a message in a
Jumbotron screen.  I'm sure dang near every F1 team would try that if they
felt it was acheivable.  
    Clearly any comparision between MS and JPM is 99% in favor of MS.  But
all our old arguments were about JPM and RS.  Now THAT comparison is a
different story.  
        One thing that always suprised me with F1 is how little imput the
driver actually seems to have...MS excepting I should add.  It seems teams
like Williams clearly expect the driver to adhere to whatever the team's
handling setup philosophy is.(I know that is a generality)  I guess I'm
used to Cart and Nascar where the driver's input is part and parcel with
Engineer's.  
     How many times have we heard quotes from driver's like Coulthard where
he complains they "just couldn't find the balance."  I then think of MS and
can't think of any similar statements.    
dave henrie
Dave Coo

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Dave Coo » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:03:09


That's a good one ;P

ymenar

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by ymenar » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:50:36


> You don't call these cheap shots at a five time champion?

Sorry but I stick to my words, I personally think that MS is overrated.
That doesn't mean he's an incredible driver.

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