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Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

mcewe

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by mcewe » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:28:10

From autosport.com

The sport's governing body, the FIA, has announced sweeping changes to
Formula 1 to ensure it is more affordable to contest. The plans
include impounding cars between the end of qualifying and the start of
the race, plus a ban on driver aids in 2003.

FIA president Max Mosley, F1 commercial rights holder Bernie
Ecclestone and all 10 team bosses attended the summit at Heathrow's
Hilton hotel. Mosley said: "Once the teams got over their initial
shock they came round to the ideas."

In a strongly-worded statement, the FIA pointed out that the teams had
rejected its cost-cutting proposals over the last 12 months, despite
the loss of two F1 teams in Prost and Arrows. Instead, it has decided
to "rigorously apply existing rules" for the 2003 season.
They are as follows.

Placing cars in parc ferme between final qualifying and the race
(teams will be unable to work on them, except under strict
supervision)

Elimination of traction control, launch control and fully automatic
gearboxes (possible derogation for all or part of 2003, to be followed
by absolute enforcement in 2004, if necessary by standard ECUs)

Elimination of pit to car and car to pit telemetry

Elimination of all radio comminucation between car and driver

Allowing only two cars per team (ie: no spare cars)

The FIA has also allowed the use of common components in 2003, so
teams can use parts built by another outfit.

Formula 1 team boss Eddie Jordan, whose squad is understood to be
struggling to raise a substantial budget for 2003, declared the
meeting: "The most positive between team bosses ever. This is a great
day for us."

Mike Beaucham

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Mike Beaucham » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:05:33

Should make for some pretty fun video games in the next coming years :)

I like those changes a lot actually.. Although, I gotta admit.. I would have
liked to see how high-tech the cars would have gotten in years to come.

Mike
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Careful Hac

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Careful Hac » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:33:58


> Placing cars in parc ferme between final qualifying and the race
> (teams will be unable to work on them, except under strict
> supervision)

I find this astonishing... unable to work on them... really?
I assume there would be some guidelines on what they can do. Well the
mechanics will breathe a sigh of relief. No more all nighters replacing
engines and the like.

No arguments from me here. When I first saw an F1 race, the sound of the
cars screaming out of the corners and rapidly going up through the gears
was just incredible. Last year, to hear them spluttering and coughing as
they accelerated was a big disappointment.

Glenn

Doug Elliso

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Doug Elliso » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:04:22


Without any rules crackdown in the last few years we'd have CVT gearboxes
( several seconds a lap faster when DC tested a williams like this in
1993 ), Active Suspension, ABS, TC, variable aerodynamics, stupid metal's in
engines, possibly even stupid engine layouts, rotary (a la le Mans 'renown'
mazda )

But - in terms of the CURRENT rule book and applying electronics to it-
theres not much more they could do apart from the two way telementry and
auto boxes.

I like the fact they're sealing cars between qual and race - make sure they
have no expensive qualifying components

Doug

Dale Gree

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Dale Gree » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:54:31

- Elimination of all radio comminucation between car and driver

What is that referring to?  HUDs in helmets?

Doug Elliso

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Doug Elliso » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:57:04


It means 1 way and 2 way telementry AND voice comms between driver and pit

i.e. communication will be thru pit board only.

I'm glad of this - it means they cant hit the "bend over and pick up the
soap" button for Rubens

Doug

David G Fishe

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by David G Fishe » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:29:01




> > - Elimination of all radio comminucation between car and driver

> > What is that referring to?  HUDs in helmets?

> It means 1 way and 2 way telementry AND voice comms between driver and pit

> i.e. communication will be thru pit board only.

> I'm glad of this - it means they cant hit the "bend over and pick up the
> soap" button for Rubens

> Doug

Poor JPM. He screws up his pit stops even with driver/pit communication.

David G Fisher

Txl

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Txl » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:17:35

no, htye will have to find a way to do it with the pit board, VERY
difficult, like "if we put your flag after the laptime then you must let him
pass", or "if we put fuel press on the pitboard then you must let him pass",
or even easier when he comes ion for the last refuel "if we bang you on the
head then you must let him pass"....

But for once FIA is going in the right direction....next thing is to remove
the front and rear wings put narrow and hard tyres, GPL is back !!!

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> > - Elimination of all radio comminucation between car and driver

> > What is that referring to?  HUDs in helmets?

> It means 1 way and 2 way telementry AND voice comms between driver and pit

> i.e. communication will be thru pit board only.

> I'm glad of this - it means they cant hit the "bend over and pick up the
> soap" button for Rubens

> Doug

David G Fishe

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by David G Fishe » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:55:09

You now what would be absolutely the BEST?

Get the most well known and loved GPL drivers to drive in F1!! Then we'd
have really INCREDIBLE racing. They'd show those pretenders that are in F1
now how it's really done.

David G Fisher



> no, htye will have to find a way to do it with the pit board, VERY
> difficult, like "if we put your flag after the laptime then you must let
him
> pass", or "if we put fuel press on the pitboard then you must let him
pass",
> or even easier when he comes ion for the last refuel "if we bang you on
the
> head then you must let him pass"....

> But for once FIA is going in the right direction....next thing is to
remove
> the front and rear wings put narrow and hard tyres, GPL is back !!!

> --
> The first ever pinball ezboard !!
> http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball

> SYS80 : BLK HOLE - HNTD HSE - SPRIT - VOLCNO - PNK PNTHER - DEVLS DARE -
RYL
> FLSH DLX - SPDERMAN - CHRLIE'S NGELS - TX SCTOR - MRS GOW - RBO WARS
> BALLY : XENN - EGHT BLL - EGHT BLL CHMP - PACMN - SPKEASY 4 - STRKES N
> SPRES -  SPCE INVDERS - FTRE SPA - LADY LCK - PRAGON
> WILLIAMS : BLCKOUT - CNTACT - ADDMS FAMLY





> > > - Elimination of all radio comminucation between car and driver

> > > What is that referring to?  HUDs in helmets?

> > It means 1 way and 2 way telementry AND voice comms between driver and
pit

> > i.e. communication will be thru pit board only.

> > I'm glad of this - it means they cant hit the "bend over and pick up the
> > soap" button for Rubens

> > Doug

Joachim Trens

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:49:52

I think that the new rules will render such strategy almost superfluous, at
least at Ferrari with their current drivers.

The past years have shown that Rubens got closer to Michael when the car
became easier to drive, and with the advent of the driving aids. Under
difficult conditions like in rain, with the not yet so perfect older Ferrari
cars, and without the driving aids Rubens was slower compared to Michael
than he was in 2002 with the apparently relatively easy to drive red goddess
and the powerful driving aids.

Those rule changes will restore the old gaps, not only between the Ferrari
drivers. They'll in general increase the gaps between the good and the less
proficient drivers, as they'll make the cars more difficult to drive. The
better drivers will profit from them.

Achim



Dave Coo

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Dave Coo » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:45:16


Maybe it's time for Mikka Hakkinen to come back?

- Dave

ymenar

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by ymenar » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:21:09


> Poor JPM. He screws up his pit stops even with driver/pit communication.

David, keep this on rasf1.

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Joachim Trens

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:09:06

He certainly was the only serious opponent for MS in the past years. But
he's taken to driving Rallye cars, I think his first event will be a Rallye
in Finland in the next weeks or even right now, I forget the precise date.
I'll never understand how Ron Dennis could let him go.

Achim




> > They'll in general increase the gaps between the good and the less
> > proficient drivers, as they'll make the cars more difficult to drive.
The
> > better drivers will profit from them.

> Maybe it's time for Mikka Hakkinen to come back?

> - Dave

Sebastien Tixie

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Sebastien Tixie » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:43:22

More important, Good Drivers on Bad Cars could win !

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Joachim Trens

Formula 1 undergoes massive changes to cut costs

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:50:04

That's true Sebastien

Achim


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