rec.autos.simulators

by **PHYDEAUX** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:46:57

>Subject: Re: N4, Ok, but Papy really needs to redo their graphics engine.

>Date: 02/11/2001 4:34 AM Eastern Standard Time

>P3 1GHz
>256 SDRAM
>64MB DDR GeForce2 Ultra

>I have seen upwards of 75fps
>Definately something wrong on your end.

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:03:26 -0600, "Morris Jones"

>>Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and
>>still can't but barely run everything maxed out.

>>P4 1.5ghz
>>256 PC800 , 400fsb
>>Geforce 2 Ultra 64
>>avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

>>Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
>>So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics engine in
>>so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics card.
>>Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same graphics
>>engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. But, I think they have
>>gotten all they are going to get out of it, even GPL would not do D3D until
>>one of the guys took it on his self to write a patch for it.

So how about it is there ANYONE in this NG with enough knowledge to explain why
this guy can barely run it and a lot of us can't get it to run at all???
Enough of this "Must be something wrong with your system" Crap....with this
guy's setup that's a given but how about some clues people!!!!???

DB

(Don't gimme NO***in E-mail)

by **Pierre Robitaill** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:06:27

> >Subject: Re: N4, Ok, but Papy really needs to redo their graphics engine.

> >Date: 02/11/2001 4:34 AM Eastern Standard Time

> >P3 1GHz
> >256 SDRAM
> >64MB DDR GeForce2 Ultra

> >I have seen upwards of 75fps
> >Definately something wrong on your end.

> >On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:03:26 -0600, "Morris Jones"

> >>Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and
> >>still can't but barely run everything maxed out.

> >>P4 1.5ghz
> >>256 PC800 , 400fsb
> >>Geforce 2 Ultra 64
> >>avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

> >>Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
> >>So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics engine in
> >>so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics card.
> >>Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same graphics
> >>engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. But, I think they have
> >>gotten all they are going to get out of it, even GPL would not do D3D until
> >>one of the guys took it on his self to write a patch for it.

> So how about it is there ANYONE in this NG with enough knowledge to explain why
> this guy can barely run it and a lot of us can't get it to run at all???
> Enough of this "Must be something wrong with your system" Crap....with this
> guy's setup that's a given but how about some clues people!!!!???

There's nothing wrong with his system. It's because he's running
with 4xFSAA.

by **Jag** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 03:55:58

spoke:

Even Nascar 3 was a new graphics engine over Nascar 2. They just look
similar.
--
Jagg

by **Scott B. Huste** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:37:21

Give 'em hell Pierre! ;)

--
Scott B. Husted
"PA-Scott"
ICQ# 4395450

> > >Subject: Re: N4, Ok, but Papy really needs to redo their graphics
engine.

> > >Date: 02/11/2001 4:34 AM Eastern Standard Time

> > >P3 1GHz
> > >256 SDRAM
> > >64MB DDR GeForce2 Ultra

> > >I have seen upwards of 75fps
> > >Definately something wrong on your end.

> > >On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:03:26 -0600, "Morris Jones"

> > >>Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and
> > >>still can't but barely run everything maxed out.

> > >>P4 1.5ghz
> > >>256 PC800 , 400fsb
> > >>Geforce 2 Ultra 64
> > >>avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

> > >>Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
> > >>So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics
engine in
> > >>so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics
card.
> > >>Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same
graphics
> > >>engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. But, I think they
have
> > >>gotten all they are going to get out of it, even GPL would not do D3D
until
> > >>one of the guys took it on his self to write a patch for it.

> > So how about it is there ANYONE in this NG with enough knowledge to
explain why
> > this guy can barely run it and a lot of us can't get it to run at all???
> > Enough of this "Must be something wrong with your system" Crap....with
this
> > guy's setup that's a given but how about some clues people!!!!???

> There's nothing wrong with his system. It's because he's running
> with 4xFSAA.

by **Larr** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:39:18

I was going to mention that, but didn't want to start a holy war.

:)

-Larry

> spoke:

> >You have a problem with your system.
> >I run faster than that on my PIII-1000/Voodoo5.

> Um, I think it might be because he bought a P4. Weaker FPU than P3
> even. If you want a killer machine today then buy an AMD 1.2ghz. I'm
> waiting for at least 1.5ghz Thunderbird before I even consider

> --
> Jagg

by **Larr** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:38:47

You've got a problem somewhere.

I'm running an Athlon 800, with an original GeForce DDR (Anni-Pro), and I'm
pulling 30-50fps and the only thing I've turned down is the 'World' setting
to about 40%. I even have the mirrors on full, which is the biggest fps
eater I've found. Running 1024X768X16.

Do you have FSAA on? It's on by default in most drivers. I don't use it as
I don't see enough benifit for the performance loss.

You got some tweaking to do. I should NOT be beating your system in the FPS
war.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:41:55

I believe you've over-exaggerated here a bit. I don't recall anyone
claiming this...

-Larry

> Sorry , I do not believe you guys are getting 70fps running 1280x960x16
and
> 4x4 FSAA with everthing maxed out and drawing 42 cars ahead and 10 behind.
> I know I could turn the FSAA off and get better but it then looks really
> bad, I know I could turn the drawn ahead cars down to 15 or so but why
> should we have to, new engine or not it will never looked better than
HEAT
> to me, I'm not saying its not a better SIM, I think it is, just that HEAT
> has better graphics and I can run with the above config, and still get
> 50+fps.

> > Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and
> > still can't but barely run everything maxed out.

> > P4 1.5ghz
> > 256 PC800 , 400fsb
> > Geforce 2 Ultra 64
> > avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

> > Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
> > So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics
engine
> in
> > so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics
card.
> > Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same
> graphics
> > engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. But, I think they
> have
> > gotten all they are going to get out of it, even GPL would not do D3D
> until
> > one of the guys took it on his self to write a patch for it.

by **Pierre Robitaill** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:57:45

> Give 'em hell Pierre! ;)

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> "PA-Scott"
> ICQ# 4395450

Heehaw!! ;)

by **Scott B. Huste** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:38:16

Say hi if you see me online bud! Still racing under PA-Scott on Won.

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com)

> > Give 'em hell Pierre! ;)

> > --
> > Scott B. Husted
> > "PA-Scott"
> > ICQ# 4395450

> Heehaw!! ;)

by **Jason Mond** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:12:11

It's the P4. http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm

Until Intel optimizes N4 for Papy, I'd stay away from the P4.

Jason.

> Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and
> still can't but barely run everything maxed out.

> P4 1.5ghz
> 256 PC800 , 400fsb
> Geforce 2 Ultra 64
> avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

> Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
> So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics engine in
> so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics card.
> Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same graphics
> engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. But, I think they have
> gotten all they are going to get out of it, even GPL would not do D3D until
> one of the guys took it on his self to write a patch for it.

--
Jason Monds
http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims)
http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting.
(Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

by **Mr. Nospa** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:57:50

I would totally agree with that statement. Nascar 4 is very good, just the
graphics in Heat are better with better framerates.

> Sorry , I do not believe you guys are getting 70fps running 1280x960x16
and
> 4x4 FSAA with everthing maxed out and drawing 42 cars ahead and 10 behind.
> I know I could turn the FSAA off and get better but it then looks really
> bad, I know I could turn the drawn ahead cars down to 15 or so but why
> should we have to, new engine or not it will never looked better than
HEAT
> to me, I'm not saying its not a better SIM, I think it is, just that HEAT
> has better graphics and I can run with the above config, and still get
> 50+fps.

> > Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and
> > still can't but barely run everything maxed out.

> > P4 1.5ghz
> > 256 PC800 , 400fsb
> > Geforce 2 Ultra 64
> > avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

> > Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
> > So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics
engine
> in
> > so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics
card.
> > Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same
> graphics
> > engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. But, I think they
> have
> > gotten all they are going to get out of it, even GPL would not do D3D
> until
> > one of the guys took it on his self to write a patch for it.

by **Mr. Nospa** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:54:14

I would say they need a better graphics engine then, because Nascar Heat has
better graphics and higher frame rates.

> One of the developers from Papyrus told me it was an all new graphics
> engine.

> David G FIsher

> > Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and
> > still can't but barely run everything maxed out.

> > P4 1.5ghz
> > 256 PC800 , 400fsb
> > Geforce 2 Ultra 64
> > avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

> > Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
> > So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics
engine
> in
> > so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics
card.
> > Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same
> graphics
> > engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. But, I think they
> have
> > gotten all they are going to get out of it, even GPL would not do D3D
> until
> > one of the guys took it on his self to write a patch for it.

by **Don Burnett** » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:44:05

Higher framerates - yes.
Better graphics - subjective ( I think they look to cartoonish for my
tastes).

--
Don Burnette

> I would say they need a better graphics engine then, because Nascar Heat
has
> better graphics and higher frame rates.

> > One of the developers from Papyrus told me it was an all new graphics
> > engine.

> > David G FIsher

> > > Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and
> > > still can't but barely run everything maxed out.

> > > P4 1.5ghz
> > > 256 PC800 , 400fsb
> > > Geforce 2 Ultra 64
> > > avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl.

> > > Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps.
> > > So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics
> engine
> > in
> > > so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics
> card.
> > > Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same
> > graphics
> > > engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. But, I think they
> > have
> > > gotten all they are going to get out of it, even GPL would not do D3D
> > until
> > > one of the guys took it on his self to write a patch for it.