rec.autos.simulators

by **David G Fishe** » Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:34:43

As much as I love it, F12001 isn't a clear winner over F1RC by a long shot.
There are aspects to the physics model (or the settings plugged into it)
which definitely seem off. Maybe I'll start a new thread which addresses
them. I'm actually shocked that some of these things haven't been discussed
yet given the reputation r.a.s. has given itself.

David G Fisher

> > > Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feels
> > pretty
> > > realistic to me.

> > Real compared to what - driven a 2001 F1 car have you.

> > i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's
sloppy,
> > slidey and unconvincing in every respect.

> > Doug
> Perhaps we can word it differently, compared to other sims currently on
> the market that focus on F1. F12001 is the best of the lot, as close to
> real as we have gotten so far....
> Clearly given hardware limitations etc we will be a long time before we
> get a "real" sim...but at the moment....at this point in time...it seems
F1
> 2001 is the clear choice for F1 simming.
> dave henrie

by **Pat Dotso** » Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:45:01

Yea. RAS has given itself the reputation of kicking
ass.

I think people are just happy to have a decent sim,
and the little things aren't getting too much
attention yet...

It's a little unclear why F1 2001 has had such a
good reception. There are things that GP3 clearly
does better. I was personally never that thrilled
with driving GP3, though. I think the driving
experience/feel in F1 2001 is a lot better, and
that's carrying the day so far.

--
Pat Dotson

> As much as I love it, F12001 isn't a clear winner over F1RC by a long shot.
> There are aspects to the physics model (or the settings plugged into it)
> which definitely seem off. Maybe I'll start a new thread which addresses
> them. I'm actually shocked that some of these things haven't been discussed
> yet given the reputation r.a.s. has given itself.

> David G Fisher

> > > > Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feels
> > > pretty
> > > > realistic to me.

> > > Real compared to what - driven a 2001 F1 car have you.

> > > i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's
> sloppy,
> > > slidey and unconvincing in every respect.

> > > Doug
> > Perhaps we can word it differently, compared to other sims currently on
> > the market that focus on F1. F12001 is the best of the lot, as close to
> > real as we have gotten so far....
> > Clearly given hardware limitations etc we will be a long time before we
> > get a "real" sim...but at the moment....at this point in time...it seems
> F1
> > 2001 is the clear choice for F1 simming.
> > dave henrie

by **Joe Marque** » Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:05:10

Yeah Doug, just after banging Schumi's wife, I stole his Ferrari and took it
for a spin. ;0) Frankly it doesn't matter if I've driven an F1 car or not.
Unless you have are opinions are equally valid (or invalid). ;0)

I've driven go carts and sports cars and have seen enough in-car cameras to
have a fair enough idea of what the car MAY feel like. It's possible that
it's completely unrealistic and I'm wrong, I just doubt it. ;0)

No need for a pissing contest since realistic is both objective and
subjective. The objective is using a real world model to simulate 6 dof
physics. If the car is launched 30 feet in the air after rolling over a
small hill, it is objectively inaccurate. The subject part is one's
perception of the F1 experience.

I have certain expectations based on extrapolating other driving experiences
and viewing in-car cams and other video. My perception of driving a go kart
was fairly accurate prior to actually driving one. I'll take my chances
that my F1 perception is fairly good as well.

Bottom line for F1 2001: it drives the way I expect an F1 car to drive.
It's the best feeling F1 sim on the market. It works for me. Your mileage
may vary. ;0)

--
Joe Marques

> > Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feels
> pretty
> > realistic to me.

> Real compared to what - driven a 2001 F1 car have you.

> i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's sloppy,
> slidey and unconvincing in every respect.

> Doug

by **Positive** » Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:31:49

: It doesn't say it can't use a wheel, it says it has no support for
: external controllers, which led them to assume it can't use a wheel.

: Since there aren't any Xbox wheels available quite yet,

Back up the truck. There appears to be several X-BOX wheels available.

Like this one..
http://www.xbox.com/system/MC2+Racing+Wheel.htm
or this one.
http://www.xbox.com/system/NASCAR+Pro+Victory+Wheel.htm?cs_catalog=ca...
or this one.
http://www.xbox.com/system/Pro+Racer.htm?cs_catalog=cat%2Dus

by **Haqsa** » Mon, 17 Dec 2001 03:51:42

Yes, I'm aware of those and others, but I don't think any of them are
actually available in stores yet. I have been keeping my eyes on the
stores in my area, and none of them are available locally yet. I
suppose the reviewer could have had access to a wheel directly from a
manufacturer, but he doesn't say that, in fact he doesn't mention even
trying it with any wheel, he just says it won't work. He might be
right, but he has no proof, and frankly I can't see any reason why it
wouldn't work.

> : It doesn't say it can't use a wheel, it says it has no support for
> : external controllers, which led them to assume it can't use a wheel.

> : Since there aren't any Xbox wheels available quite yet,

> Back up the truck. There appears to be several X-BOX wheels
available.

> Like this one..
> http://www.xbox.com/system/MC2+Racing+Wheel.htm
> or this one.

http://www.xbox.com/system/NASCAR+Pro+Victory+Wheel.htm?cs_catalog=cat%2
Dus

by **ymenar** » Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:20:34

> It's a little unclear why F1 2001 has had such a
> good reception. There are things that GP3 clearly
> does better. I was personally never that thrilled
> with driving GP3, though. I think the driving
> experience/feel in F1 2001 is a lot better, and
> that's carrying the day so far.

I kinda agree with Pat and DGF here. F1 2001 leaves me dry. I'm thinking
of uninstalling it, I just don't see myself putting the effort with it. Gp3
gives me a more satisfying experience of driving a car. F1RC gives me..
errr.. well.. good looking tracks.

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