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Dundrod - An Appreciation

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:18:06






> > > Dude, you might try being decent to others for a change.  As of now,
> you
> > > really are a sad little puppy.

> >  p.s.  a sure sign of a loser; one older than 13, who still uses the
> word
> > dude.

> Or maybe one that is trying to talk at a level the 13 year old he
> believes himself to be addressing would understand? ;-)

> Give it a rest now please JP, I think most people here have been very
> patient with you considering your woefully inadequate attitude. I read
> what Steve has to say because he can articulate his opinions well, even
> if I disagree with it. You fail to demonstrate that any serious thought
> has gone into your opinions, so they are worthless, right or wrong.

> Malc.

  Lol, I "gave it a rest" posts ago Malc.  Note the authors of the others.
And if you don't like what I post, don't read it.  It is public ng, remember
?  Go to moderated one if you only like those with similiar opinions.

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Malc

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Malc » Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:33:39


Once again you demonstrate a less than complete understanding of the
post to which you reply JP, I am trying to give you some much needed
advice.

I'm quite happy to have people disagree with me, and it's not that often
that they do on subjective issues, but what I am suggesting you do is to
give your opinion (as you so frequently do already) but also to give
some explanation as to why you believe your opinion is the right one.
You may still be wrong, only time will tell, but people will have more
respect for your opinion if you can back it up.

By & large RAS is one of the most friendly newsgroups I've seen, and I'd
like to help it stay that way. You will get a better response if you
think about your posts a bit more before clicking 'submit'. Maybe it
would help if you compare a newsgroup to a school playground. Act like a
fool & people will ignore you or call you a fool, be helpful & friendly
and people will be friendly & helpful back to you. It's really not all
that hard if you think about it ;-)

Malc.

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:48:20




> >   Lol, I "gave it a rest" posts ago Malc.  Note the authors of the
> others.
> > And if you don't like what I post, don't read it.  It is public ng,
> remember
> > ?  Go to moderated one if you only like those with similiar opinions.

> Once again you demonstrate a less than complete understanding of the
> post to which you reply JP, I am trying to give you some much needed
> advice.

> I'm quite happy to have people disagree with me, and it's not that often
> that they do on subjective issues, but what I am suggesting you do is to
> give your opinion (as you so frequently do already) but also to give
> some explanation as to why you believe your opinion is the right one.
> You may still be wrong, only time will tell, but people will have more
> respect for your opinion if you can back it up.

> By & large RAS is one of the most friendly newsgroups I've seen, and I'd
> like to help it stay that way. You will get a better response if you
> think about your posts a bit more before clicking 'submit'. Maybe it
> would help if you compare a newsgroup to a school playground. Act like a
> fool & people will ignore you or call you a fool, be helpful & friendly
> and people will be friendly & helpful back to you. It's really not all
> that hard if you think about it ;-)

> Malc.

  Thanks for the tips, but fwiw, I've been around ng's, etc., for years now.
In terms of whether my opinion is right and whether others think so, I
really couldn't care less if they do or not.  It's just an opinion, on a ng;
just like anyone elses.
  I have no interest in trying to "convert" or prove that my opinion is
right, to someone, on x subject.  If they agree fine, if not, who cares.
Malc

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Malc » Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:04:26


cares.

Okay bye.

Malc.

Robert Grave

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Robert Grave » Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:15:51

Nice write up.

Thanks Steve.


Mark Davison

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Mark Davison » Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:24:28


You ain't got a chance.

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:15:38




> >   <laughter>

> >   Can you even see from that horse ?

> >   I just hope someday I can be as worthy as yourself oh majestic one.

> You ain't got a chance.

  You're right; I'd have to take steps backwards.
Mark Davison

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Mark Davison » Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:35:29

And you've got balance issues that prevent that, right?

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:44:23


  Not at all.  You ?  Silly question; the answer is obvious.

Steve Smit

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Steve Smit » Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:40:54

In my commentary on Jim Pearson's wonderful recreation of the historic
Dundrod circuit, I noted the startling discrepancy between Jim's lap time in
the included replay (3:28) and Stirling Moss' best lap lap in the
Mercedes-Benz 300SLR (4:48) in the '55 Tourist Trophy.  (According to
Guinness, Mike Hawthorn holds the absolute sports-car record at 4:42 in a
D-Type Jag.)  By highlighting the difference, I didn't mean to impugn the
accuracy of Jim's version of this circuit - it reeks of veracity.  No one
ever got that resonant a "look and feel" without doing his homework.

Rather, I believe the difference can be explained by three factors.

1. The changes to the track between the real-world layout that Moss drove in
'55 and Jim's version, which simulates the layout used from '65 to the
present for motorbike races.

2. The differences between the 300SLR and almost any 1967 Formula 1 machine,
but particularly the Brabham BT24.  According to this site:


the 300SLR weighed 1984 lbs. and was powered by a 310-hp straight eight, or
6.4 lbs/hp.  The '67 BT24, according to Papy, weighed 1105 lbs. and was
powered by a 350-hp V8, or 3.16 lbs/hp, i.e., about twice the scat of the
Merc.

Moreover, the 300SLR had drum brakes (albeit really huge ones, and unsprung,
too, as I remember) vs. the Brab's 4-wheel discs, and most importantly, the
older car was on incredibly narrow rims (prob. 5-in.) vs. the F1 car's much
wider rims (prob. twice as wide).  Racing tire technology had made leaps &
bounds in the intervening dozen years as well.

3. Driving technique.  If you watch movies of 1950s sports car enduros, you
see that the drivers of the day did not fling their cars around with nearly
as much abandon as did "Black Jack" Brabham (an old dirt-track meister) did
in the 60s, much less with as much verve as Jim does in his replay.  While
some of the early drivers may have taken hairy chances at short, wide tracks
like Silverstone and Sebring, they were much more cautious at long, narrow
venues like the Ring, the Targa Florio, and Dundrod.  I mean, my God, they
had to complete 84 laps (623 miles, over 1000 k's) of the blantantly lethal
Ulster circuit.

Anyway, all of which is by way of saying that I believe Jim Pearson's
Dundrod is as accurate as a brass ruler.

--Steve Smith

Fcuk

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Fcuk » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:28:54


>   <laughter>

get lost, asswipe
JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:24:25



> >   <laughter>
> get lost, asswipe

  You say something ?
Mitch_

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Mitch_ » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:28:18

You must have a bunch more patience than I do JP.  His sig alone was enough
for him to join the Killfile :)

Mitch





>> >   <laughter>
>> get lost, asswipe

>  You say something ?

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:34:39

  Hehe, yeah, saw that too.  Don't do killfiles myself though <g>


> You must have a bunch more patience than I do JP.  His sig alone was
enough
> for him to join the Killfile :)

> Mitch






> >> >   <laughter>
> >> get lost, asswipe

> >  You say something ?

Mitch_

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Mitch_ » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:36:39

I never had either until this election season :)



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