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Dundrod - An Appreciation

Steve Smit

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Steve Smit » Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:54:36

Dundrod - An Appreciation

Wrong and wrong again!  All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been
released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of Sergio
Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my
Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27.

Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, 15.4-mile
Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what
else?--an equally superb recreation of the only-slightly-less-stupendous
Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and winding
(36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the GPL
era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT" (Tourist
Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs
trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss.

In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod, and
given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 F1
cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and
ditches.

It is *very* narrow.  As in real life, passing online or AI cars will be
very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a
beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like
Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with
warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the '53
TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5).

Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery familar
(and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone who's
seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or the
Shell Oil racing films of the day.  Pearson's graphics are spot on...and
beautimous.

Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned for
4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this
day).  Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again.  His installation
includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure some
Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put his
300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for its
last race.

Get Dundrod here:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

--Steve Smith

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:08:42


   yawn.

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Chad Roger

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Chad Roger » Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:16:42

Ahh don't listen to them Steve, I love the history lessons.  Don't read it
if you don't want it, seems easy enough to me.




>> Dundrod - An Appreciation

>> Wrong and wrong again!  All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been
>> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of
> Sergio
>> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my
>> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27.

>> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn,
>> 15.4-mile
>> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what
>> else?--an equally superb recreation of the only-slightly-less-stupendous
>> Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and
> winding
>> (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the
>> GPL
>> era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT"
> (Tourist
>> Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs
>> trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss.

>> In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod,
> and
>> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 F1
>> cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and
>> ditches.

>> It is *very* narrow.  As in real life, passing online or AI cars will be
>> very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a
>> beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like
>> Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with
>> warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the
> '53
>> TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5).

>> Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery
> familar
>> (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone who's
>> seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or
> the
>> Shell Oil racing films of the day.  Pearson's graphics are spot on...and
>> beautimous.

>> Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned
>> for
>> 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this
>> day).  Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again.  His installation
>> includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure some
>> Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put
> his
>> 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for
> its
>> last race.

>> Get Dundrod here:

>> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html

>> --Steve Smith

>   yawn.

Steve Smit

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Steve Smit » Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:21:14

I don't.  He's in my killfile.


> Ahh don't listen to them Steve, I love the history lessons.  Don't read it
> if you don't want it, seems easy enough to me.





> >> Dundrod - An Appreciation

> >> Wrong and wrong again!  All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been
> >> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of
> > Sergio
> >> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my
> >> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27.

> >> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn,
> >> 15.4-mile
> >> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what
> >> else?--an equally superb recreation of the

only-slightly-less-stupendous

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Joachim Trens

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:34:54

Hi Steve,

thanks for this little essay. It's always a pleasure to read your
articles, even if the topic (GPL) isn't of much interest to me anymore.
But simply the way you write is so much fun to read!

--
Achim
http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

Steve Smit

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Steve Smit » Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:43:59

(Blush!) Thx, Achim!


Kimi_Rakkone

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Kimi_Rakkone » Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:19:06

lol



> (Blush!) Thx, Achim!



> > Hi Steve,

> > thanks for this little essay. It's always a pleasure to read your
> > articles, even if the topic (GPL) isn't of much interest to me anymore.
> > But simply the way you write is so much fun to read!

> > --
> > Achim
> > http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:43:24

  Then I guess you won't see this either......sniff, sniff.  How can I go on
?

  Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track
release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he posts more
of his " hey everyone look at me "  crusade/diatribes, oh well.


> I don't.  He's in my killfile.



> > Ahh don't listen to them Steve, I love the history lessons.  Don't read
it
> > if you don't want it, seems easy enough to me.





> > >> Dundrod - An Appreciation

> > >> Wrong and wrong again!  All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT
been
> > >> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of
> > > Sergio
> > >> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my
> > >> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27.

> > >> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn,
> > >> 15.4-mile
> > >> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what
> > >> else?--an equally superb recreation of the
> only-slightly-less-stupendous
> > >> Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and
> > > winding
> > >> (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with
the
> > >> GPL
> > >> era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT"
> > > (Tourist
> > >> Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs
> > >> trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss.

> > >> In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at
Dundrod,
> > > and
> > >> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67
> F1
> > >> cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and
> > >> ditches.

> > >> It is *very* narrow.  As in real life, passing online or AI cars will
> be
> > >> very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a
> > >> beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like
> > >> Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage
with
> > >> warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9"
(the
> > > '53
> > >> TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5).

> > >> Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery
> > > familar
> > >> (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone
> who's
> > >> seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary"
or
> > > the
> > >> Shell Oil racing films of the day.  Pearson's graphics are spot
> on...and
> > >> beautimous.

> > >> Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was
abandoned
> > >> for
> > >> 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to
this
> > >> day).  Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again.  His installation
> > >> includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure
> some
> > >> Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who
put
> > > his
> > >> 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight)
for
> > > its
> > >> last race.

> > >> Get Dundrod here:

> > >> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html

> > >> --Steve Smith

> > >   yawn.

Ruud Dingeman

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:02:51


>   Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track
> release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he posts more
> of his " hey everyone look at me "  crusade/diatribes, oh well.

I think you got Steve all wrong JP - he is a genuine motorsports /
simracing enthousiast, and even if he would be off now and then (and
don't we all) he's far more into propagating "Good things" than himself.

Regards, Rudy
--------------------
GPLRank: -24

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:41:07



> >   Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track
> > release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he posts
more
> > of his " hey everyone look at me "  crusade/diatribes, oh well.

> I think you got Steve all wrong JP - he is a genuine motorsports /
> simracing enthousiast, and even if he would be off now and then (and
> don't we all) he's far more into propagating "Good things" than himself.

> Regards, Rudy
> --------------------
> GPLRank: -24

   k, thanks Rudy.
Marc Collin

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Marc Collin » Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:27:33

Who are you to "yawn" at anything, let alone this legitimate, interesting
topic?

Marc




>> Dundrod - An Appreciation

>> Wrong and wrong again!  All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been
>> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of
> Sergio
>> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my
>> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27.

>> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn,
>> 15.4-mile
>> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what
>> else?--an equally superb recreation of the only-slightly-less-stupendous
>> Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and
> winding
>> (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the
>> GPL
>> era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT"
> (Tourist
>> Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs
>> trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss.

>> In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod,
> and
>> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 F1
>> cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and
>> ditches.

>> It is *very* narrow.  As in real life, passing online or AI cars will be
>> very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a
>> beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like
>> Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with
>> warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the
> '53
>> TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5).

>> Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery
> familar
>> (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone who's
>> seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or
> the
>> Shell Oil racing films of the day.  Pearson's graphics are spot on...and
>> beautimous.

>> Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned
>> for
>> 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this
>> day).  Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again.  His installation
>> includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure some
>> Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put
> his
>> 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for
> its
>> last race.

>> Get Dundrod here:

>> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html

>> --Steve Smith

>   yawn.

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:18:38

  <laughter>

  Can you even see from that horse ?

  I just hope someday I can be as worthy as yourself oh majestic one.


> Who are you to "yawn" at anything, let alone this legitimate, interesting
> topic?

> Marc





> >> Dundrod - An Appreciation

> >> Wrong and wrong again!  All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been
> >> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of
> > Sergio
> >> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my
> >> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27.

> >> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn,
> >> 15.4-mile
> >> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what
> >> else?--an equally superb recreation of the

only-slightly-less-stupendous

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Greg Campbel

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Greg Campbel » Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:43:45


>   Then I guess you won't see this either......sniff, sniff.  How can I go on
> ?

Don't 'go on', just go away.

Dude, you might try being decent to others for a change.  As of now, you
really are a sad little puppy.

-Greg

JP

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by JP » Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:52:05



> >   Then I guess you won't see this either......sniff, sniff.  How can I
go on
> > ?

> Don't 'go on', just go away.

> >   Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track
> > release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he posts
more
> > of his " hey everyone look at me "  crusade/diatribes, oh well.

> Dude, you might try being decent to others for a change.  As of now, you
> really are a sad little puppy.

> -Greg

  No, I'm decent to those that deserve it.  Guess where you fit in ?

 p.s.  a sure sign of a loser; one older than 13, who still uses the word
dude.

Malc

Dundrod - An Appreciation

by Malc » Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:21:09




> > Dude, you might try being decent to others for a change.  As of now,
you
> > really are a sad little puppy.
>  p.s.  a sure sign of a loser; one older than 13, who still uses the
word
> dude.

Or maybe one that is trying to talk at a level the 13 year old he
believes himself to be addressing would understand? ;-)

Give it a rest now please JP, I think most people here have been very
patient with you considering your woefully inadequate attitude. I read
what Steve has to say because he can articulate his opinions well, even
if I disagree with it. You fail to demonstrate that any serious thought
has gone into your opinions, so they are worthless, right or wrong.

Malc.


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