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Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

Seatbel

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by Seatbel » Sun, 07 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Hi.

I've been going round and round some of the familiar circuits like Monza and
Hockenheim.

After more than a dozen laps on both I started to think:

Some corners work different than in GP-2.

For instance:

The 2nd  chicane on Hockenheim before the long straight into the Motodrome,
I used to take that one accelerating from 1 to 2,3,4 and exited in 5 in
GP-2.

In F-1 RS I need to stay in 2 or else I don't take the corner. I've set my
frontwing to the setting of GP-2, 13 degrees, but it's weird.

Monza is even weirder. The corner before the straight under the bridge, I
took that one in flat 5 in GP-2. In F-1 RS I need to shift down to 2.

Am I overlooking something? I know the cars are more powerful than in 1994,
but that doesn't mean I can't keep them on the track in a corner going in
5th or 4th.

If I set higher frontwing, I'm getting oversteer.

Were these corner changed since 1994? I know Imola had the Tamburello
"demolished" and Estoril too had some corners reworked. But Hockenheim and
Monza I thought were still as they were in 1994.

I can drive great laps on for instance Silverstone, Monaco, Magny Cours and
all other tracks I know of 1994/GP-2 that haven't changed.

Any ideas?

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HORB

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by HORB » Sun, 07 Dec 1997 04:00:00

It is indeed closer now as a reaction on the Senna accident.
But overall you can say that in F1RS the grip is much more realistic than in
GP2. We have now lower speed in the corners and are much faster on the
straights -> about the same laptimes.

Byron Forbe

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by Byron Forbe » Tue, 09 Dec 1997 04:00:00


> The 2nd  chicane on Hockenheim before the long straight into the Motodrome,
> I used to take that one accelerating from 1 to 2,3,4 and exited in 5 in
> GP-2.

> In F-1 RS I need to stay in 2 or else I don't take the corner. I've set my
> frontwing to the setting of GP-2, 13 degrees, but it's weird.

> Monza is even weirder. The corner before the straight under the bridge, I
> took that one in flat 5 in GP-2. In F-1 RS I need to shift down to 2.
> Any ideas?

    One thing that may explain it up to a point is that they have been
consistantly slowing F1 cars down over the last 5 or 6 years (Is this
really F1??????). Wait till you see the ridiculous treaded (pronounced
"dreaded") tyres they will be using this coming season. How do your lap
times compare?
Charles Coulomb

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by Charles Coulomb » Tue, 09 Dec 1997 04:00:00



> > Monza is even weirder. The corner before the straight under the bridge,
I
> > took that one in flat 5 in GP-2. In F-1 RS I need to shift down to 2.

I Did see the demo in Monza. On TV this year, this corner seemed much
slower than it used to be. Maybe has this corner simply been reconfigured.
Ken Nicols

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by Ken Nicols » Tue, 09 Dec 1997 04:00:00


>Hi.

>I've been going round and round some of the familiar circuits like Monza and
>Hockenheim.

>After more than a dozen laps on both I started to think:

>Some corners work different than in GP-2.

>For instance:

>The 2nd  chicane on Hockenheim before the long straight into the Motodrome,
>I used to take that one accelerating from 1 to 2,3,4 and exited in 5 in
>GP-2.

I've only done a few circuits so far, but wasn't GP2's modelling of
that chicane off - it didn't seem tight enough. Also, I think they may
have remodelled that corner IRL?

That corner (Lesmo 2 isn't it?) has definitely been rebuilt. ISTR it
as a 3rd or 4th gear bend this season. Remember also in GP2 we have a
year's worth of set-up knowledge behind us, whereas in F1RS we're
still novices at the setup. Give it a month or two and everyone will
be taking the corner in 4th...

HTH

Ken
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m.i..

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by m.i.. » Wed, 10 Dec 1997 04:00:00



> > The 2nd  chicane on Hockenheim before the long straight into the Motodrome,
> > I used to take that one accelerating from 1 to 2,3,4 and exited in 5 in
> > GP-2.

> > In F-1 RS I need to stay in 2 or else I don't take the corner. I've set my
> > frontwing to the setting of GP-2, 13 degrees, but it's weird.

> > Monza is even weirder. The corner before the straight under the bridge, I
> > took that one in flat 5 in GP-2. In F-1 RS I need to shift down to 2.

> > Any ideas?

>     One thing that may explain it up to a point is that they have been
> consistantly slowing F1 cars down over the last 5 or 6 years (Is this
> really F1??????). Wait till you see the ridiculous treaded (pronounced
> "dreaded") tyres they will be using this coming season. How do your lap
> times compare?

The Lesmo turns in Monza were tightened in 1996 and this explains why you
can't go flat out around those turns. GP2 was a 1994 sim when turns were
much faster.
I haven't got full game yet....only English demo....
Teemu Motton

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by Teemu Motton » Wed, 10 Dec 1997 04:00:00



<...>
>>Monza is even weirder. The corner before the straight under the bridge, I
>>took that one in flat 5 in GP-2. In F-1 RS I need to shift down to 2.
<...>
>That corner (Lesmo 2 isn't it?) has definitely been rebuilt. ISTR it
>as a 3rd or 4th gear bend this season. Remember also in GP2 we have a
>year's worth of set-up knowledge behind us, whereas in F1RS we're
>still novices at the setup. Give it a month or two and everyone will
>be taking the corner in 4th...

I just played with F1RS for the first time on some tracks.
In short: excellent graphics, smooth framerates and great
handling (P166, 3DFX, 32 MB RAM, GP1). One thing I noticed
is that some tracks look really different from this years GP
broadcasts and GP2:

Imola: the second half of the track has some weird 'altitude
levels'. Where are the downhill/uphill sections ?

Hungaroring: there should be an uphill section before the
"blind kink" to the left, as well as a downhill section
later on.

Suzuka: too flat, there should be a slight uphill section
after the first S-curves.

Barcelona: in reality there is no grass bank inside the final
"stadium" section, maybe it's needed for less 3D-calculations ?

I know there are differences in track layouts between 94, 96
and 97, but the hills should still be there :-)

-Teemu
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Redr

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by Redr » Thu, 11 Dec 1997 04:00:00



I, too, thought Suzuka was way too flat overall.  In GP2, this course
is full of uphills and downhills.

D. Gwyn Jone

Different drives on F1-RS circuits?

by D. Gwyn Jone » Thu, 11 Dec 1997 04:00:00


Apparently, due to time constraints and the licensing requirement to
release F1RS by a certain date, some of the tracks are not entriely
complete. Suzuka being the most obvious. Lets hope Ubisoft address this in
a patch. When they have obviously put so much effort in making the other
tracks look so good, the bad ones stand out even more.
Cheers, Gwyn.


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