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Where's Indy (The 500)

Joe Daws

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Joe Daws » Sat, 02 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy.  Why are these
"Indycars" If no Indy?  Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.  I want Indy and won't
shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not!
Andrew R. Tef

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Andrew R. Tef » Sat, 02 Dec 1995 04:00:00



Well how much more are you willing to pay for your copy?
And how much more do you think everyone else is willing to pay?

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Peter Hearty

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Peter Hearty » Sat, 02 Dec 1995 04:00:00

: Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy.  Why are these
: "Indycars" If no Indy?  Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
: probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
: These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
: until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.  I want Indy and won't
: shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not!

I think the reason given was because of the new circuit that is going to
compete with Indy next year, has the rights to the track at Indy.

Michael E. Carv

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Michael E. Carv » Sat, 02 Dec 1995 04:00:00

: Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy.  Why are these
: "Indycars" If no Indy?  Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
: probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
: These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
: until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.  I want Indy and won't
: shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not!

They do have a GOOD answer.  Unfortunately, it's not the answer you
want.  The answer you want is "Okay, here they are".  

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PAUL HAMILTO

Where's Indy (The 500)

by PAUL HAMILTO » Sun, 03 Dec 1995 04:00:00

With Tony George (the owner of Indianapolis Motor Speedway) acting like
such a patoot about the Indy Racing League, it's no wonder that he won't
give Papyrus the rights to include IMS in the Indycar package.  Of course
he'd probably have no hesitation at all to include it and the other IRL
tracks in some other simulation...

=p=

KARL RAU

Where's Indy (The 500)

by KARL RAU » Sun, 03 Dec 1995 04:00:00

-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy.  Why are these
-> "Indycars" If no Indy?  Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
-> probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
-> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
-> until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.  I want Indy and won't
-> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not!

        Maybe it is money.  How much extra are you and everyone who
bought it willing to pay extra to get the additional track?  The Toronto
Indy is an 'Indy' so that could be reason why they are called Indy cars.
 Just because the Indy 500 isn't there is no reason to doubt the name.
I personally believe that it is licensing.  If you were a suit at the
speedway, would you give the name away for cheap?
        And the reason that Daytona isn't included with Nascar, and hold
on to your joysticks here, is that Sega already has the licensing for it
and don't want to give it up!  Sega!!!

        Karl

RickGent

Where's Indy (The 500)

by RickGent » Mon, 04 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.
<<<

No smoke screen. We can't use a track if we can't get the license for it.
Though I am not aware of the terms, my understanding is that the terms
imposed on us by IMS are too restrictive for it to be worth our while.

And as for Daytona, Sega owns the exclusive license to Daytona. My
understanding is that the license is up for renewal next year. Until then,
there will be no Daytona for NASCAR.

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

WILLIAM SMI

Where's Indy (The 500)

by WILLIAM SMI » Mon, 04 Dec 1995 04:00:00

-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy.  Why are these
-> "Indycars" If no Indy?  Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
-> probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
-> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
-> until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.  I want Indy and won't
-> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not!

The Indianapolis 500 is no longer apart of IndyCar racing!  Please make
sure you understand that before you post anything else.  Is is not part
of the schedule nor is Phoenix or New Hampshire for upcoming schedule.

Also keep in mind that Sega has licensing rights to Daytona even though
their GAME has nothing to do with DAYTONA.  It is simply a GAME.  But
what doesn't make sense is that the NASCAR boys have sold their game
rights to a Japanese company.  Meanwhile the Papyrus SIM has everything
to do with NASCAR.

Robert Berus

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Robert Berus » Mon, 04 Dec 1995 04:00:00

JD>Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy.  Why are these
  >"Indycars" If no Indy?  Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
  >probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
  >These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
  >until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.  I want Indy and won't
  >shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not!

Who the hell are you to accuse a major software company of lying to you, me
and all the other game players?  If you'd actually listen and believe people
for what they are, you'd know that licensing rights are the problem.  Want
proof?  Indy is owned by a committee that is starting the Indy Racing League.
IndyCar is in a battle; therefore, the Indy 500 may not be on the IndyCar
schedule.  As for Daytona, Sega holds the rights to it.  Now; SHUT UP!

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Ron Bu

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Ron Bu » Tue, 05 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Etc, etc....

Rick, Just wondering.  I guess licensing is on a game-by-game basis?
After all, you DID have the Indy Expansion Pack for ICR.  You couldn't
possibly use that version you already had permission to use somehow?

BTW, welcome back.  Lots of people missed you.

Ron (Buckster Express)---------->

Greg Cis

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Greg Cis » Wed, 06 Dec 1995 04:00:00


>Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
>probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
>These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
>until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.
><<<

>No smoke screen. We can't use a track if we can't get the license for it.
>Though I am not aware of the terms, my understanding is that the terms
>imposed on us by IMS are too restrictive for it to be worth our while.

I can imagine what this is... Lemme see. They probably do not want any
CART cars represented on the track. Just like in real life apparently.
Jack Yaz

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Jack Yaz » Wed, 06 Dec 1995 04:00:00


: >>>>
: >Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
: >probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
: >These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
: >until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.
: ><<<
: >
: >No smoke screen. We can't use a track if we can't get the license for it.
: >Though I am not aware of the terms, my understanding is that the terms
: >imposed on us by IMS are too restrictive for it to be worth our while.
: >Rick Genter
: >Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
: >Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

   I seem to be confused.

   I have the program Indianapolis 500 that appears to have the Indy track
 and is by a group called Papyrus.

   If they already use the track, why can't they use the track in my
 IndyCar ?

RickGent

Where's Indy (The 500)

by RickGent » Thu, 07 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Rick, Just wondering.  I guess licensing is on a game-by-game basis?
<<<

Yep.

BTW, welcome back.  Lots of people missed you.
<<<

Thanks. You should have seen my e-mailbox when I came back. Took me 9
hours to clean it up (and catch up on the 971 postings in
rec.auto.simulators).

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

Sandma

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Sandma » Thu, 07 Dec 1995 04:00:00


>The Indianapolis 500 is no longer apart of IndyCar racing!  Please make
>sure you understand that before you post anything else.  Is is not part
>of the schedule nor is Phoenix or New Hampshire for upcoming schedule.

Absolutely right. Long live the PPG Series (CART);***the
IRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                      Sandman

Tim Wortm

Where's Indy (The 500)

by Tim Wortm » Fri, 08 Dec 1995 04:00:00


>-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy.  Why are these
>-> "Indycars" If no Indy?  Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is
>-> probably a smoke screen for money.  Is Papy too cheap to ante up?
>-> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus
>-> until they answer.  Same for Daytona w/Nascar.  I want Indy and won't
>-> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not!
>        Maybe it is money.  How much extra are you and everyone who
>bought it willing to pay extra to get the additional track?

Personally, I'm glad it isn't yet being offered as an add-on pack. I
don't want any more of my hard earned dollars going to Mr IRL than I
have to. Tony can take his track and stick it where the sun don't
shine until he agrees to quit destroying what used to be the greatest
race in the world.

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