rec.autos.simulators

> > > What a great attitude. So no one out there is allowed to attempt
anything
> > if
> > > they dont have a track record. So please explain how one is to obtain
said
> > > track record if everytime someone tries they get this kind of
treatment.

> > Yeah, of course they can attempt something but they can't take us for
fools
> > which is what the Wests' have done so far.

> > You guys can't see it... they have you in the palm of their hand, you
> > believe everything they say but have produced nothing in 2 or 3 years...

> > I'll be first to congratulate them on a job well done if I can see a job
> > that is well done, now... I see nothing!

> And that is reason enough to put them down ? They read this newsgroup
> and disencouragement and insults is the last thing they need.

> What kind of sicko are you?  Even if nothing gets
> published at the end of the day, they should be congratulated for at least
> attempting to create a worthwhile racing simulation.  Even talking
> intelligently about racing simulations is worth a pat on the back since
the
> big publishers are sure not very interested in them.

> Marc.

> > > What a great attitude. So no one out there is allowed to attempt
> anything
> > if
> > > they dont have a track record. So please explain how one is to obtain
> said
> > > track record if everytime someone tries they get this kind of
treatment.

> > Yeah, of course they can attempt something but they can't take us for
> fools
> > which is what the Wests' have done so far.

> > You guys can't see it... they have you in the palm of their hand, you
> > believe everything they say but have produced nothing in 2 or 3 years...

> > I'll be first to congratulate them on a job well done if I can see a job
> > that is well done, now... I see nothing!

> I'm going to have to risk getting involved with an obvious troll here,
> but I can't let a posting like that pass. In what way do you think
> they have taken you for a fool? A fool you may or may not be, but I'm
> 99% certain you've never bet the farm on a large creative project
> which has consumed your whole life for a period of years. If you had,
> you wouldn't have made such a negative and tactless comment. Is it
> completely lost on you that if WSC went down the pan then it would
> simply impact our (expected) choice of leisure activities, while the
> consequences for the Wests would be rather more severe? I sincerely
> hope the Wests aren't bothering to read this ng these days, with some
> of the comments that are being made. Try a little insight and sympathy
> guys, we would like them to succeed after all!

> > > What a great attitude. So no one out there is allowed to attempt
anything
> >  if
> > > they dont have a track record. So please explain how one is to obtain
said
> > > track record if everytime someone tries they get this kind of
treatment.

> > Yeah, of course they can attempt something but they can't take us for
fools
> > which is what the Wests' have done so far.

> > You guys can't see it... they have you in the palm of their hand, you
> > believe everything they say but have produced nothing in 2 or 3 years...

> > I'll be first to congratulate them on a job well done if I can see a job
> > that is well done, now... I see nothing!

> I have to apologise here if you think I'm trolling. I'm not, I've been in
> RAS for a number of years now, and in that time I've been known by some to
> have fairly strong issues on a number of things such as WSC and before
that,
> GPL.
> I'm not trying to troll, I wan to best sims like you all, I just have my
> owns thoughts on things and come to my own conclusions instead of taking
the
> same view as the masses, sometimes that is different to most peoples ideas
> here, sometimes it's exactly the same, it's not trolling....

> Fair play to the West's but I do wish they'd either keep quiet and get on
> with developing and else show us a glimpse of some of the things they say
> they have/will have. I just find it tedious to hear all the things WSC
will
> have and how it will be e the best sim ever.

> You see those claims on the cover of every sim and arcade racer alike out
> there and I'm not falling for it anymore, I personally  just can't accept
> "wishliss" as reality since I've seem so many, and I mean many, sims fail
to
> deliver on these wishlists.

> > I'm going to have to risk getting involved with an obvious troll here,
> > but I can't let a posting like that pass. In what way do you think
> > they have taken you for a fool? A fool you may or may not be, but I'm
> > 99% certain you've never bet the farm on a large creative project
> > which has consumed your whole life for a period of years. If you had,
> > you wouldn't have made such a negative and tactless comment. Is it
> > completely lost on you that if WSC went down the pan then it would
> > simply impact our (expected) choice of leisure activities, while the
> > consequences for the Wests would be rather more severe? I sincerely
> > hope the Wests aren't bothering to read this ng these days, with some
> > of the comments that are being made. Try a little insight and sympathy
> > guys, we would like them to succeed after all!

> > > > What a great attitude. So no one out there is allowed to attempt
> anything
> > >  if
> > > > they dont have a track record. So please explain how one is to
obtain
> said
> > > > track record if everytime someone tries they get this kind of
> treatment.

> > > Yeah, of course they can attempt something but they can't take us for
> fools
> > > which is what the Wests' have done so far.

> > > You guys can't see it... they have you in the palm of their hand, you
> > > believe everything they say but have produced nothing in 2 or 3
years...

> > > I'll be first to congratulate them on a job well done if I can see a
job
> > > that is well done, now... I see nothing!

> I have to apologise here if you think I'm trolling. I'm not, I've been in
> RAS for a number of years now, and in that time I've been known by some to
> have fairly strong issues on a number of things such as WSC and before
that,
> GPL.
> I'm not trying to troll, I wan to best sims like you all, I just have my
> owns thoughts on things and come to my own conclusions instead of taking
the
> same view as the masses, sometimes that is different to most peoples ideas
> here, sometimes it's exactly the same, it's not trolling....

> Fair play to the West's but I do wish they'd either keep quiet and get on
> with developing and else show us a glimpse of some of the things they say
> they have/will have. I just find it tedious to hear all the things WSC
will
> have and how it will be e the best sim ever.

> You see those claims on the cover of every sim and arcade racer alike out
> there and I'm not falling for it anymore, I personally  just can't accept
> "wishliss" as reality since I've seem so many, and I mean many, sims fail
to
> deliver on these wishlists.

> > I'm going to have to risk getting involved with an obvious troll here,
> > but I can't let a posting like that pass. In what way do you think
> > they have taken you for a fool? A fool you may or may not be, but I'm
> > 99% certain you've never bet the farm on a large creative project
> > which has consumed your whole life for a period of years. If you had,
> > you wouldn't have made such a negative and tactless comment. Is it
> > completely lost on you that if WSC went down the pan then it would
> > simply impact our (expected) choice of leisure activities, while the
> > consequences for the Wests would be rather more severe? I sincerely
> > hope the Wests aren't bothering to read this ng these days, with some
> > of the comments that are being made. Try a little insight and sympathy
> > guys, we would like them to succeed after all!

> > > > What a great attitude. So no one out there is allowed to attempt
> anything
> > >  if
> > > > they dont have a track record. So please explain how one is to
obtain
> said
> > > > track record if everytime someone tries they get this kind of
> treatment.

> > > Yeah, of course they can attempt something but they can't take us for
> fools
> > > which is what the Wests' have done so far.

> > > You guys can't see it... they have you in the palm of their hand, you
> > > believe everything they say but have produced nothing in 2 or 3
years...

> > > I'll be first to congratulate them on a job well done if I can see a
job
> > > that is well done, now... I see nothing!

> > IMO, the main reason some here find complaints about the West brothers
so
> > offensive is because they have corresponded with them. They've chatted
with
> > them, given them some opinions on what the sim should contain, and now
they
> > feel they are connected with WSC in some (sad) way.

> No, the only reason is that complaints are plain silly because of the
> following points:

>IMO, the main reason some here find complaints about the West brothers so
>offensive is because they have corresponded with them. They've chatted with
>them, given them some opinions on what the sim should contain, and now they
>feel they are connected with WSC in some (sad) way.

> And while we're at it who is Godot?

>> Honestly I was just curious, it wasn't meant factiously. It's just I don't
>> associate them with any previous projects.  I was just wondering if they
>> were Crammand's protg or something.  That's all.

>> As to the other post I have seen the screen shots and read the interview's.
>> The concept and the media look wonderful , but so many projects go sideways
>> I was just wondering why so many hopes were pinned on this one.

>The West's are the keepers of the Holy Grail for those of us true to the goals
>of the ultimate in computer motor racing simulation. They are that because
>their goals for WSC are levels of car physics, graphics, playablility, etc.,
>beyond what has so far been achieved.

>They are able to do this not only because of their ability and commitment to
>the project, but for the same reason you don't know of them....they are not
>hog-tied to a corporate production shop. I believe the same was....WAS... true
>with Papyrus before Sierra swallowed them up even though GPL and N4 came after
>that. My understanding is GPL was totally Papy's vision not Sierra's and to all
>indications will be the last of any sim from them that doesn't include the word
>nascar.

>From what I've heard, admittedly second hand, is the Wests are working hard to
>complete WSC. At least part of the delay now apparently is updating graphics
>for the latest hardware with performance and effects that has not shown up in
>any computer game to date.

>Keeping the faith :)

>Marty