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Bring the safety car in!!

GraDe

Bring the safety car in!!

by GraDe » Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:04:13

You wouldn't expect a football match to go ahead in torrential rain and
weather conditions and the reason?
Health and safety of players along with fans and TV viewers.

You don't let a boxing match continue after a guy is beaten senseless, the
ref intervenes.

That's the point of a safety car. It is so that the race can be fair and
equal and let each man fight it out. It's not exactly fair if a sudden
downpour and oil combine to send some on that side of the track to the
gravel while others who have already passed go home free. How does that let
each man fight it out? See what I mean?


> But racing, and in fact, sports in general, aren't supposed to be a mere
> spectacle.  If a meaningless spectacle is all you want, you might as well
> watch pro-wrestling.  *Real* sports are a pure contest to find out who is
> the best.  The few drivers who managed to make it past lap four without
> sliding off the track should have been rewarded with a huge lead.  Boring
or
> not.

> CART is great, but one thing I dislike about it is the damn pacecar.



> > F1's use of safety cars is more frequent as of late and I think it comes
> > down to the situation in CART.

> > Frequent safety car periods allow maximum safety for drivers as it keeps
> > them all racing when potentially a lot would go out of the race making
for
> > bad TV.
> > It's obviously better for the fan as their is no mass crashes leaving a
> > field of 5 drivers, not as much need for red flags, and restarts making
> the
> > whole thing better overall while making it safer than letting cars run
> away.

> > Good move. I don't think they want it to be like CART though as being
like
> > CART makes people well... watch CART  ;-)



> > > I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and
> > > aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added
> > together
> > > to give a final result. This ***about using safety cars to allow
> people
> > to
> > > change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different
story
> > > today had real representative times been run, rather than artificially
> > > bunching up fields.

> > > MS




> > > > >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and
dry
> > the
> > > > >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track!
> > (you
> > > > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the
> track,
> > > wow!)

> > > > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on
> wets
> > > and
> > > > >back out safely and then let racing commence.

> > > > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about
> > > > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we?

> > > > DG

Mark Seer

Bring the safety car in!!

by Mark Seer » Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:43:02

How would playing a football match in torrential rain affect the health and
safety of fans and tv viewers?

;-)

BTW. Most football matches in England are played in such conditions.

MS

Aubre

Bring the safety car in!!

by Aubre » Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:27:39

We were talking about restarting the race, not about continuing the race no
matter what.

As for what happened to Shumi and Rubens, that's racing.


> You wouldn't expect a football match to go ahead in torrential rain and
> weather conditions and the reason?
> Health and safety of players along with fans and TV viewers.

> You don't let a boxing match continue after a guy is beaten senseless, the
> ref intervenes.

> That's the point of a safety car. It is so that the race can be fair and
> equal and let each man fight it out. It's not exactly fair if a sudden
> downpour and oil combine to send some on that side of the track to the
> gravel while others who have already passed go home free. How does that
let
> each man fight it out? See what I mean?



> > But racing, and in fact, sports in general, aren't supposed to be a mere
> > spectacle.  If a meaningless spectacle is all you want, you might as
well
> > watch pro-wrestling.  *Real* sports are a pure contest to find out who
is
> > the best.  The few drivers who managed to make it past lap four without
> > sliding off the track should have been rewarded with a huge lead.
Boring
> or
> > not.

> > CART is great, but one thing I dislike about it is the damn pacecar.



> > > F1's use of safety cars is more frequent as of late and I think it
comes
> > > down to the situation in CART.

> > > Frequent safety car periods allow maximum safety for drivers as it
keeps
> > > them all racing when potentially a lot would go out of the race making
> for
> > > bad TV.
> > > It's obviously better for the fan as their is no mass crashes leaving
a
> > > field of 5 drivers, not as much need for red flags, and restarts
making
> > the
> > > whole thing better overall while making it safer than letting cars run
> > away.

> > > Good move. I don't think they want it to be like CART though as being
> like
> > > CART makes people well... watch CART  ;-)



> > > > I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and
> > > > aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added
> > > together
> > > > to give a final result. This ***about using safety cars to allow
> > people
> > > to
> > > > change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different
> story
> > > > today had real representative times been run, rather than
artificially
> > > > bunching up fields.

> > > > MS





> > > > > >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and
> dry
> > > the
> > > > > >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the
track!
> > > (you
> > > > > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the
> > track,
> > > > wow!)

> > > > > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on
> > wets
> > > > and
> > > > > >back out safely and then let racing commence.

> > > > > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all
about
> > > > > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we?

> > > > > DG

Matthew V. Jessic

Bring the safety car in!!

by Matthew V. Jessic » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:10:41

If I understood the comments properly in post race interview,
Coulthard said he went off the track four times following the
safety car.  To me, that indicates that the conditions were rather, um, bad ;)


> >Im sure you would be saying this if you were leading the race and aquaplaned
> >straight off the track....
> >*cough* bullshit!

> Any race driver worth a ***knows his car's limits. If you slide off
> the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be
> in the lead.

Graeme Nas

Bring the safety car in!!

by Graeme Nas » Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:01:41

To be fair though, the conditions in Malaysia, were a little unusual. I
was sitting in the stand at turn 1, and the track never saw a drop of
rain. 200 metres back down the straight, it was a river. Very odd to
look at :-)

--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash

Olaf Thomas van Esse

Bring the safety car in!!

by Olaf Thomas van Esse » Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:50:33

Then why didn't Jos Verstappen for instance?



> If I understood the comments properly in post race interview,
> Coulthard said he went off the track four times following the
> safety car.  To me, that indicates that the conditions were rather, um,
bad ;)



> > >Im sure you would be saying this if you were leading the race and
aquaplaned
> > >straight off the track....
> > >*cough* bullshit!

> > Any race driver worth a ***knows his car's limits. If you slide off
> > the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be
> > in the lead.

J

Bring the safety car in!!

by J » Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:13:41

Yeah,
rain is a bit different here in Malaysia ;-)
I don't know whether it was a good idea to conduct the 2nd GP of the year in
Malaysia. Weather in the West is a bit unpredictable then.
For the former date (October) you can be 100% sure to have active rain-season
here, but only in the East. The West is usually dry then.

You came to Malaysia to watch the GP, Graeme?
WOW

JensSchumi

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:01:41 +0100, Graeme Nash


>>Any race driver worth a ***knows his car's limits. If you slide off
>>the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be
>>in the lead.

>To be fair though, the conditions in Malaysia, were a little unusual. I
>was sitting in the stand at turn 1, and the track never saw a drop of
>rain. 200 metres back down the straight, it was a river. Very odd to
>look at :-)

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Graeme Nas

Bring the safety car in!!

by Graeme Nas » Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:41:32

Third time :-)

</smug> :-)

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Cheers!
Graeme Nash


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