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Bring the safety car in!!

Rob Swindell

Bring the safety car in!!

by Rob Swindell » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:32:12

Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in
a FFirst?

Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now
today.

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Rob Swindell

Bring the safety car in!!

by Rob Swindell » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:33:50

And another lap...

wimps.


> Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in
> a FFirst?

> Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now
> today.

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Chris Bloo

Bring the safety car in!!

by Chris Bloo » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:28:21

Well they have to let the Ferrari drivers catch up after the shocking
performances by both drivers and teams, don't they?

Chris

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Gaul

Bring the safety car in!!

by Gaul » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:57:09


I caught Sebring myself (thanks, Speedvision! :-), but I hope you stuck
around for the Verstappen-Hakkinen-Frentzen battles.  Very good racing and
an impressive performance from Jos.  And that bit at the end with R
Schumacher and Hakkinen- this was a very exciting race.

Stefan

Bring the safety car in!!

by Stefan » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:17:01


They don't

GraDe

Bring the safety car in!!

by GraDe » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:46:06

Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry the
next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track! (you
could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the track, wow!)

You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on wets and
back out safely and then let racing commence.


Disgruntled Go

Bring the safety car in!!

by Disgruntled Go » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:07:51


>Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry the
>next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track! (you
>could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the track, wow!)

>You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on wets and
>back out safely and then let racing commence.

And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about
how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we?

DG

Ian

Bring the safety car in!!

by Ian » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:56:13

A Formula 1 car is seriously more powerful than a Formula First.
The conditions at Sepang today deteriorated so quickly that the only safe
thing to do was bring out the safety car, the amount of people who were
aquaplaning off the track was proof of that. Spa 2000 (or was it 99) on the
other hand was a silly call as the track wasn't that wet.

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> And another lap...

> wimps.


> > Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in
> > a FFirst?

> > Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now
> > today.

> > --
> > Rob Swindells

Mark Seer

Bring the safety car in!!

by Mark Seer » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:48:31

I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and
aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added together
to give a final result. This ***about using safety cars to allow people to
change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different story
today had real representative times been run, rather than artificially
bunching up fields.

MS



> >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry the
> >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track! (you
> >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the track,
wow!)

> >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on wets
and
> >back out safely and then let racing commence.

> And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about
> how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we?

> DG

GraDe

Bring the safety car in!!

by GraDe » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:58:23

F1's use of safety cars is more frequent as of late and I think it comes
down to the situation in CART.

Frequent safety car periods allow maximum safety for drivers as it keeps
them all racing when potentially a lot would go out of the race making for
bad TV.
It's obviously better for the fan as their is no mass crashes leaving a
field of 5 drivers, not as much need for red flags, and restarts making the
whole thing better overall while making it safer than letting cars run away.

Good move. I don't think they want it to be like CART though as being like
CART makes people well... watch CART  ;-)


> I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and
> aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added
together
> to give a final result. This ***about using safety cars to allow people
to
> change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different story
> today had real representative times been run, rather than artificially
> bunching up fields.

> MS




> > >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry
the
> > >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track!
(you
> > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the track,
> wow!)

> > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on wets
> and
> > >back out safely and then let racing commence.

> > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about
> > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we?

> > DG

Aubre

Bring the safety car in!!

by Aubre » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:25:19

But racing, and in fact, sports in general, aren't supposed to be a mere
spectacle.  If a meaningless spectacle is all you want, you might as well
watch pro-wrestling.  *Real* sports are a pure contest to find out who is
the best.  The few drivers who managed to make it past lap four without
sliding off the track should have been rewarded with a huge lead.  Boring or
not.

CART is great, but one thing I dislike about it is the damn pacecar.


> F1's use of safety cars is more frequent as of late and I think it comes
> down to the situation in CART.

> Frequent safety car periods allow maximum safety for drivers as it keeps
> them all racing when potentially a lot would go out of the race making for
> bad TV.
> It's obviously better for the fan as their is no mass crashes leaving a
> field of 5 drivers, not as much need for red flags, and restarts making
the
> whole thing better overall while making it safer than letting cars run
away.

> Good move. I don't think they want it to be like CART though as being like
> CART makes people well... watch CART  ;-)



> > I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and
> > aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added
> together
> > to give a final result. This ***about using safety cars to allow
people
> to
> > change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different story
> > today had real representative times been run, rather than artificially
> > bunching up fields.

> > MS




> > > >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry
> the
> > > >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track!
> (you
> > > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the
track,
> > wow!)

> > > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on
wets
> > and
> > > >back out safely and then let racing commence.

> > > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about
> > > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we?

> > > DG

Andrew MacPhers

Bring the safety car in!!

by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:15:00


> But racing, and in fact, sports in general, aren't supposed to be a mere
> spectacle.

Not in an ideal world. But try telling that to the advertisers who pay for
racing!

Andrew McP

Bern

Bring the safety car in!!

by Bern » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:36:52

Im sure you would be saying this if you were leading the race and aquaplaned
straight off the track....
*cough* bullshit!

Driving a 800 horsepower car that weighs 500 kg in rain with the spray from
the other cars blinding you is a recepie for disaster anybody could ***y
see that. Have you seen any other car that causes as much spray as an f1
car?
I think not.


Gregor Vebl

Bring the safety car in!!

by Gregor Vebl » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:53:58


> As for the "blinding spray" what about rally cars?
> They kick up huge clouds of dust or snow and whoever is driving behind
> them has their vision obscured.

Well, I might be watching some other sport, but I don't see rally cars
too bunched up together that often...

-Gregor

Gaul

Bring the safety car in!!

by Gaul » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:53:28



> >Im sure you would be saying this if you were leading the race and
aquaplaned
> >straight off the track....
> >*cough* bullshit!

> Any race driver worth a ***knows his car's limits. If you slide off
> the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be
> in the lead.

> >Driving a 800 horsepower car that weighs 500 kg in rain with the spray
from
> >the other cars blinding you is a recepie for disaster anybody could
***y
> >see that. Have you seen any other car that causes as much spray as an f1
> >car?
> >I think not.

> The safety car was kept out much longer than necessary. This was done
> simply to bunch up the field again and attempt to make for a more
> interesting race. As for the "blinding spray" what about rally cars?
> They kick up huge clouds of dust or snow and whoever is driving behind
> them has their vision obscured. It's part of the race. Why should the
> F1 babies be any different?

When's the last time you saw all the rally drivers take off at the same time
in a pack?  They're intentionally spaced out, partly to offset the same dust
clouds that you brought up.  You're not helping your argument any.

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