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Rules for beginning racers

Tony Jeste

Rules for beginning racers

by Tony Jeste » Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Rules of etiquette for online racing:

1) When pulling out of the pits, stay well off the racing groove and
keep a constant eye in your mirrors for approaching cars.  If you see
one coming, slow down and let him pass.  This holds true for your entire
pit out lap.  The guy coming up behind you is on his qualifying lap.  It
won't hurt you at all to slow down and let him by, but if you hold him
up, it very well may ruin his fastest qualifying lap.  At Watkins Glen,
you need to come to a stop at the end of pit lane and look before you
exit the pits onto the track.

2) Practice is for qualifying, not racing.  You might think you are
racing the guy behind you, but in fact you are holding him up and
ruining his qualifying lap.  Save the close dicing for the actual race.

3)  If you spin during qualifying, you have blown any chance of a fast
lap.  Be very careful re-entering the track.  Be absolutely certain you
are not going to get in the way of another car who very well could be on
his fastest qualifying lap.  The best way to do this is to steer the car
in such a way as to re-enter the track at a parallel angle so that you
have a good view to the rear with your mirrors.  DO NOT enter at a 90
degree angle where there is no way to see approaching cars.  After you
do re-enter after a spin, STAY OUT OF THE WAY of other cars!  Remember,
you have blown any chance of a fast lap.  Let them pass.  Why should
your mistake ruin his fast lap attempt?

4)  Pay attention to your starting position and the qualifying times of
the cars in front of you.  Are they 2 seconds of more faster than you
personal best?  Then don't try to beat them into the first turn!!!  What
good will it do, even if you succeed?  You aren't fast enough yet to
stay up with them.  You are going to make a very hazardous situation
(the start) even worse.

5)  Be cautious in the first turn.  Your job is to avoid crashing, NOT
to gain position!  Avoid contact with other cars AT ALL COST, even if it
costs you position.  Many if not most of the first turn crashes in GPL
would be fatal if it was in real life.  I propose we should drive as if
it was real.  I think it would be a lot more fun in the long run if
everybody drove this way.

6)  When passing, pick your spot carefully!!!  Don't think you can just
pass anywhere you want, even if you are rapidly gaining on the car in
front.  If two cars are side-by-side going into the Masta Kink, what do
you think is going to happen?  Would you pull such a foolish stunt in
real life, going 175 mph, in an open wheel car?  In fact, there really
are very few places you can actually pass.  Learn where these are.  If
in doubt, then don't.

7)  If you are racing, and you see a blue flag, it means you are about
to be lapped, let the car pass!  Only an idiot would try to stay ahead.
You are going to slow the guy up and let the car behind him catch up.
This will make the guy behind you VERY angry.

8)  If you retire from the race early and remain on-line, avoid needless
chat.  It is very distracting to those who are still racing.

9)  After the race is over, stick around long enough to be at least be a
little bit friendly and thank those whom you raced against.  And don't
forget to thank the host.

10)  Don't let your inexperience stop you from racing.  Race more!  We
need more people racing, the more the better!  Just use common sense.

-Tony-

Greger Hut

Rules for beginning racers

by Greger Hut » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:02:36 -0800, Tony Jester


>Rules of etiquette for online racing:

>1) When pulling out of the pits, stay well off the racing groove and
>keep a constant eye in your mirrors for approaching cars.  If you see
>one coming, slow down and let him pass.  This holds true for your entire
>pit out lap.  The guy coming up behind you is on his qualifying lap.  It
>won't hurt you at all to slow down and let him by, but if you hold him
>up, it very well may ruin his fastest qualifying lap.  At Watkins Glen,
>you need to come to a stop at the end of pit lane and look before you
>exit the pits onto the track.

I always use Shift-V and Ctrl-V when leaving the pits to see if there
are any cars too close. It's a very good way to prevent those stupid
incidents particularly on the tracks that have a tricky pitlane exit,
for example Monaco and the Glen.

--
Greger Huttu

Rikanthr

Rules for beginning racers

by Rikanthr » Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:00:00

always use Shift-V and Ctrl-V when leaving the pits to see if there
are any cars too close.

Greger,
What does the shiftv and ctrlv commands do?
I tried them and nothing happened.
Thanks!
Rik

Mark Seer

Rules for beginning racers

by Mark Seer » Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:00:00

When in car, it scrolls through all the drivers currently on track. It will
only work when you are in the driving seat.

MS

Jim Alliso

Rules for beginning racers

by Jim Alliso » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Enter your car in the pits and use these controls to check views
from any car ahead or behind yours. Keep pressing to go further
ahead or back.

        v : view from car ahead
shift-v : view from car behind
cntl-v  : view from your car


EXCHANGE:HAL02:HQ

Rules for beginning racers

by EXCHANGE:HAL02:HQ » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00


> When in car, it scrolls through all the drivers currently on track. It will
> only work when you are in the driving seat.

Please note that when in the car in the pit lane, it will ONLY show you
4 cars in front and 1 behind (for a dial up connection anyway).

As an example, if you shift-v and see the car behind is on the
start-finish straight, and shift-v again and see the (apparently) next
car is miles away, you cannot just follow the first car since there may
be any number of cars on the track between the two!!!

        Paul
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Greger Hut

Rules for beginning racers

by Greger Hut » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:22:18 -0500, "Jim Allison"




>> always use Shift-V and Ctrl-V when leaving the pits to see if there
>> are any cars too close.

>> Greger,
>> What does the shiftv and ctrlv commands do?
>> I tried them and nothing happened.
>> Thanks!
>> Rik

>Enter your car in the pits and use these controls to check views
>from any car ahead or behind yours. Keep pressing to go further
>ahead or back.

>        v : view from car ahead
>shift-v : view from car behind
>cntl-v  : view from your car

Yeah, these commands only work when you're car is stopped. So besides
using these commands in the pits it's sometimes useful to use them
after a spin.

--
Greger Huttu

Vinto

Rules for beginning racers

by Vinto » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00


>On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:22:18 -0500, "Jim Allison"



>>> always use Shift-V and Ctrl-V when leaving the pits to see if there
>>> are any cars too close.

>>> Greger,
>>> What does the shiftv and ctrlv commands do?
>>> I tried them and nothing happened.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rik

>>Enter your car in the pits and use these controls to check views
>>from any car ahead or behind yours. Keep pressing to go further
>>ahead or back.

>>        v : view from car ahead
>>shift-v : view from car behind
>>cntl-v  : view from your car

>Yeah, these commands only work when you're car is stopped. So besides
>using these commands in the pits it's sometimes useful to use them
>after a spin.

I don't think drivers in 67 had this option, anyone on the track should be
aware of what is coming up. A short chat message saying you are leaving the
pits should suffice, if a person on the track doesn't like it then too bad,
this is the way racing works. Too many people forget they have a brake pedal
and can slow down a little to avoid accidents. It is the responsability of
both the person on the track and the person entering the track to ensure a
smooth transition. The shift-v option helps but I really don't think it's
needed if more people drove responsibly.

Vintook

Liutger Franze

Rules for beginning racers

by Liutger Franze » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00

that is the point: if more people drove responsively and provident and
tried to avoid accidents, even if they didn't cause the tricky situation
themselves, we would have a lot less crashes in online racing. but I
have to admit that I am somewhat astonished that there are very few
crashes on our GGPLC-server since we switched it to PRO :-)

Lio

Remco Moe

Rules for beginning racers

by Remco Moe » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00


>Yeah, these commands only work when you're car is stopped. So besides
>using these commands in the pits it's sometimes useful to use them
>after a spin.

Yeah right....you and spinning?......nah, never... <g>

Remco

Mark Seer

Rules for beginning racers

by Mark Seer » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Vintook

How the hell do you know what is coming up without seeing or hearing it? A
real 1967 driver had the option to move his eyes and turn his head to look
around him him whilst leaving a pitlane.

bad,

Even when there is sometimes a several second delay between someone sending
the message and it appearing on the other driver's screen? Some drivers even
have in car chat turned off to avoid distractions whilst driving. Since when
did people leaving the pits have priority over  drivers on flying laps
anyway?

Absolute crap. Tell me how you are supposed to control a car on the edge of
adhesion or commitment at the pit exits at places like Brands Hatch or the
Glen, when people simply pull out in front of you with a speed differential
of around 100mph.

 >The shift-v option helps but I really don't think it's  needed if more
people drove responsibly.

Like any other useful tool, it plays a part for the right job. As I said
before, the real Clark et-al used to crane their heads around before simply
driving onto a circuit. The responsibility is with the person leaving a
pitlane, not the guy or gal who is hauling ass on his hottest flying lap.

MS

Ron Ayto

Rules for beginning racers

by Ron Ayto » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Hi Lio,
I just wish more of the hosts on VROC would run in PRO mode too..
I can't believe some of the stupid driving that goes on, when the
idiots in question know they can use shift-r to get going again..
In our league, we only run in PRO mode, and i personally would not join
a league that runs with Shift-r implemented, as it does tend to bring
out a less than ideal mind set in the drivers.
If PRO mode was made more widespread on VROC, we would all see vast
improvements in the driving styles of the drivers that joined the
races.
Even in a shift-r enabled race on VROC, i will not use shift-r, so if i
damage my car in a VROC race to the point where it becomes undriveable,
i will retire rather than use shift-r.
That is why i would like to see more PRO races run on VROC.!!
The drivers have to drive more sensibly and show more patience,
otherwise they are out..
I get sick of being taken out of a race in the 1st hundred yards by the
idiots, ego maniacs, hotshoes, etc etc,  who just have to try and make
up the spots that they couldn't make up in qualifying...
I call these guys the  The 100 Yard Wonders.

Cheers,
Ron

Jim Alliso

Rules for beginning racers

by Jim Alliso » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hmm, when did F1 start stationing a flagperson at the pit exit? Was this
done at all in the 60's?




> . . .
> I don't think drivers in 67 had this option, anyone on the track should be
> aware of what is coming up. A short chat message saying you are leaving
the
> pits should suffice, if a person on the track doesn't like it then too
bad,
> this is the way racing works. Too many people forget they have a brake
pedal
> and can slow down a little to avoid accidents. It is the responsability of
> both the person on the track and the person entering the track to ensure a
> smooth transition. The shift-v option helps but I really don't think it's
> needed if more people drove responsibly.

> Vintook

Tony Jeste

Rules for beginning racers

by Tony Jeste » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00


> I always use Shift-V and Ctrl-V when leaving the pits to see if there
> are any cars too close. It's a very good way to prevent those stupid
> incidents

Wow!  Thanks for this tip.  I'm not sure why I never new about this
trick.  It works great!  Thanks again.

-Tony-

ymenar

Rules for beginning racers

by ymenar » Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Hmmm...

Back in 1967 the drivers didn't had the option to announce their pit exit
with a chat message neither ;-)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."


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