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N2: Dammit!

J Patrick Platt

N2: Dammit!

by J Patrick Platt » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

   Ok, I've been running at Michigan trying to get used to the new
game.  I've only owned Nascar 2 for 5 days.  I was running at Michigan a
certain way....  I learned how to drive without using brakes (excluding
traffic) but I still cannot break the 180mph barrier!  I  really don't
understand how people are cutting 182-185 here.  I'm going to download
a replay or two, but I'm still lost.  When I enter turn 1, I hit right
about 199 (red light comes on with a 3.5 fourth gear) before I ease off
the gas and work down towards the turn.  I can either hit the turn early
and gas out harder or hit later and gas less, but overall, I think I hit
180 right when the turn is completely done.  Along to turn three, I
ease off the gas at about the 3rd to last billboard, work down towards
the bottom, back into the gas to hold at about 165, then accelerate smoothly
out of turn 4.  Tires squeal like hell, but they only hit 175-190 degrees.
Anyone see an error here?

    Jp

Tom Warde

N2: Dammit!

by Tom Warde » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I stay at around 175mph in the turns.  Thats where you lose all your
speed to everyone else.  MY fastest is just faster than the real
record of Gordons which is somewheres around 186.xxx

Tom Wardell
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171/index.html



>   Ok, I've been running at Michigan trying to get used to the new
>game.  I've only owned Nascar 2 for 5 days.  I was running at Michigan a
>certain way....  I learned how to drive without using brakes (excluding
>traffic) but I still cannot break the 180mph barrier!  I  really don't
>understand how people are cutting 182-185 here.  I'm going to download
>a replay or two, but I'm still lost.  When I enter turn 1, I hit right
>about 199 (red light comes on with a 3.5 fourth gear) before I ease off
>the gas and work down towards the turn.  I can either hit the turn early
>and gas out harder or hit later and gas less, but overall, I think I hit
>180 right when the turn is completely done.  Along to turn three, I
>ease off the gas at about the 3rd to last billboard, work down towards
>the bottom, back into the gas to hold at about 165, then accelerate smoothly
>out of turn 4.  Tires squeal like hell, but they only hit 175-190 degrees.
>Anyone see an error here?

>    Jp

LinerKin

N2: Dammit!

by LinerKin » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I actually don't race Mich. to often and I am not here to tell you the right
line or best setup. But on any track, the following is true:  if you can
increase the cars speed in the corners you will have a greater speed at the
end of each straight. faster laps will be the result. So it's sounds to me
like you are losing to much speed exiting the corners, and that is hurting
your speed on the straight.

--
Kevin Anderson
LinerKing on TEN
LinerKing on AOL
ICQ # 6769389


>   Ok, I've been running at Michigan trying to get used to the new
>game.  I've only owned Nascar 2 for 5 days.  I was running at Michigan a
>certain way....  I learned how to drive without using brakes (excluding
>traffic) but I still cannot break the 180mph barrier!  I  really don't
>understand how people are cutting 182-185 here.  I'm going to download
>a replay or two, but I'm still lost.  When I enter turn 1, I hit right
>about 199 (red light comes on with a 3.5 fourth gear) before I ease off
>the gas and work down towards the turn.  I can either hit the turn early
>and gas out harder or hit later and gas less, but overall, I think I hit
>180 right when the turn is completely done.  Along to turn three, I
>ease off the gas at about the 3rd to last billboard, work down towards
>the bottom, back into the gas to hold at about 165, then accelerate
smoothly
>out of turn 4.  Tires squeal like hell, but they only hit 175-190 degrees.
>Anyone see an error here?

>    Jp

Michael E. Carve

N2: Dammit!

by Michael E. Carve » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00


%    Ok, I've been running at Michigan trying to get used to the new
% game.  I've only owned Nascar 2 for 5 days.  I was running at Michigan a
% certain way....  I learned how to drive without using brakes (excluding
% traffic) but I still cannot break the 180mph barrier!  I  really don't
% understand how people are cutting 182-185 here.  I'm going to download
% a replay or two, but I'm still lost.  When I enter turn 1, I hit right
% about 199 (red light comes on with a 3.5 fourth gear) before I ease off
% the gas and work down towards the turn.  I can either hit the turn early
% and gas out harder or hit later and gas less, but overall, I think I hit
% 180 right when the turn is completely done.  Along to turn three, I
% ease off the gas at about the 3rd to last billboard, work down towards
% the bottom, back into the gas to hold at about 165, then accelerate smoothly
% out of turn 4.  Tires squeal like hell, but they only hit 175-190 degrees.
% Anyone see an error here?

Michigan can be a hard track to master.  First you will need a good
setup.  After you have put some heat in your tires you should be able to
be close to 200-201 before taking turn 1.  Come in high and actually
take the middle of turns 1 & 2 past the actual apex.  The major key to
MIS is too scrub off as little speed as possible in the turns.  You are
losing some in Turns 1&2, but 3&4 are robbing you blind.  This is the
killer turns for me also.  I still don't have it down right.  So, I will
pass on a few secrets from one of the CCG partners (Rob Camp -- hope he
doesn't mind -- well I am pretty sure he won't if you will download our
AI enhancement for Michigan <G>  Check the CCG NASCAR2 AI Project site:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/6746 -- With this AI, you won't be
using the brakes for the other cars, just to stop in your pit stall).

From Snowdog's Secrets of Michigan:

DO NOT EVER touch the brake..

Run hard into 1.. Go high to the wall along the frontstraight and then
DIVE from the wall into turn one.. Later than you may think.. Just get
off the gas (coasting) until the apex, *maybe* a little sonner than the
apex, and slowly get back on the gas.. Sometime VERY shortly after the
apex, you'll feel the car saying "hey man, let's go!", and then floor
it.. The car (at least with my setup, for me.. Chevy chassis) will
basically turn itself...

As for T3, get off the gas (coasting) anywhere between the last sign
(billboard on the right of the track) and the skids that are low going
into the turn.. Enter this turn in *any* groove.. My fav is the diagonal
line from the wall, down toward the bottom of the track in T3.. still
coasting... You'll see a funky pattern of skidmarks somewhere in the
mid-apex of 3 & 4.. use this to be a visual as to where you get back on
the gas... Then you have a choice (depnding on you entrance) of either
flooring it and taking yourself high groove OUT of 4, or flooring it and
letting the car turn in ans taking the low/mid groove out of 4... Either
will work, but they are DIRECTLY related to how you enter #3.

Michigan, in my mind, has only 2 turns.. NOT 4 <g>. 2 is so dependant on
1, and 4 is so dependant on 3 that they are basically one turn... More
so than any other track in WC, to me..

And remeber, under ANY circumstance.. TIE YOUR LEFT FOOT TO THE FLOOR!
far away from the brake pedal...

=================================================================
Track: Michigan                                    Setup: SNOWDOG
=================================================================
Tire     Pressure     Camber    Shock   Lock    5     Weight Bias
 RF         50        -2.40       85    1st  9.80      Left  1900
 RR         52         0.00      100    2nd  6.50      Rear  1770
 LR         50         0.00      100    3rd  4.40     Cross     0
 LF         50         0.10       95    4th  3.40    Spoiler:  60
=================================================================
                                      N2HQ (C)1997 - Dane Johnson
=================================================================

[End of Snowdog's Secrets]

Here is my setup for Michigan (slightly modified from Rob's):
=================================================================
Track: Michigan                                     Setup: TEST00
=================================================================
Tire     Pressure     Camber    Shock   Lock    6     Weight Bias
 RF         50        -2.70       20    1st  9.80      Left  1900
 RR         51         0.00      100    2nd  6.90      Rear  1800
 LR         50         0.00      100    3rd  4.40     Cross    -5
 LF         51         0.30      100    4th  3.40    Spoiler:  68
=================================================================
                                      N2HQ (C)1997 - Dane Johnson
=================================================================

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