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McWho

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by McWho » Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:39:30

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HD speed?  would a 5200 rpm hd sufficiently slow the process?  I have often
wondered if that is a part of my problem.
There is always the *ever popular*  Windows indexing service as well that
could be an issue.
Sean

Eldre

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by Eldre » Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:12:53



>If I run gpl in a window & watch the task manager (I use Win2k btw) gpl
>rarely uses more than 60% cpu or thereabouts. I can happily hotlap with
>Outlook Express, Excel & IE6 open in the background, so even a background
>process running on your PC would have to be a pretty CPU/memory intensive
>one to slow your PC down so much.

I don't run GPL in a window - I'm not sure how that would affect speed.  I also
can't *imagine* having all that running in the background without affecting
GPL....

I don't see VIA 4-in-1 in my system devices list.  I see VIA Tech VT8C686 PCI
to ISA bridge, and VIA Tech  VT8C686 Power Management Controller.  Where should
I be looking for the 4-in-1 part?

I just downloaded and ran 3dmark 2001 SE(build 330) - I got a benchmark number
of 3725.  One of the tests gave me a "data signal out of range", or something
like that.  I think it was test 9.

Another thing that puzzles me.  I have a Ti 4600 card.  The box says that, and
the card itself says that.  But the driver install selected a Ti 4800 driver to
load.  WTF?

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by Eldre » Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:12:53



>HD speed?  would a 5200 rpm hd sufficiently slow the process?  I have often
>wondered if that is a part of my problem.
>There is always the *ever popular*  Windows indexing service as well that
>could be an issue.

Drive speed shouldn't be an issue, as everything is loaded into memory.

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by Goy Larse » Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:35:17


> I don't see VIA 4-in-1 in my system devices list.  I see VIA Tech VT8C686 PCI
> to ISA bridge, and VIA Tech  VT8C686 Power Management Controller.  Where should
> I be looking for the 4-in-1 part?

You don't, you either have that 4-1 driver installed or you don't, I'm
guessing that you don't since you don't remember installing it, it came
on a separate CD with your MoBo, the "problem" with the VIA chip set is
that Windows has some very basic drivers for it, which means you won't
get any indication that something is wrong other than very sluggish
performance

Go here http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=300 and grab the latest

3725....with that video card you should see at least 8000+

Doesn't really matter since "all" nVidia cards use the same drivers

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by Eldre » Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:33:07


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Well, I pulled the SCSI card, downloaded and installed the VIA drivers, kicked
up the graphics acceleration to max(under 'performance').  All of that gets me
to about 3730 on average.  I saw 3800 once when I changed the test from 32-bit
to 16-bit.  Plenty of hard drive space, no other programs running,
virus-checked and ad-aware'd.  I don't get it...
Are you *sure* about that benchmark number?  I only have an Athlon 1.2G, with
384mb ram.  There isn't a DMA listed for the video card - should there be?  If
so, how do I set one?

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by Malc » Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:07:56



Yes you should be seeing at least 7000, probably alot more 3DMarks with
the standard benchmark. The best I managed out of my Gf4200 & Athlon 1.2
was about 9000.

Set the IRQ for graphics in the bios. There's usually a specific option to
assign an IRQ to the gfx & usb etc.

Malc.

Eldre

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by Eldre » Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:59:48



>Yes you should be seeing at least 7000, probably alot more 3DMarks with
>the standard benchmark. The best I managed out of my Gf4200 & Athlon 1.2
>was about 9000.

>Set the IRQ for graphics in the bios. There's usually a specific option to
>assign an IRQ to the gfx & usb etc.

It has an IRQ of 11(always did), but no DMA.  The SBLive has a DMA, though.

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by Malc » Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:27




> >Yes you should be seeing at least 7000, probably alot more 3DMarks with
> >the standard benchmark. The best I managed out of my Gf4200 & Athlon
1.2
> >was about 9000.

> >Set the IRQ for graphics in the bios. There's usually a specific option
to
> >assign an IRQ to the gfx & usb etc.

> It has an IRQ of 11(always did), but no DMA.  The SBLive has a DMA,

though.

By DMA not being enabled I didn't mean the DMA channels for ISA cards,
sorry for the misunderstanding. Your Hard Drive uses DMA (probably
UDMA100), the PCI & AGP bridges use DMA too. This is what the 4-in-1
drivers enable, among other things, and it allows background processes to
be shunted directly to memory rather than via the CPU. It can consume alot
of resources if it's not enabled, but if you have installed the 4-in-1
drivers I guess that's not the problem anyway.

Your SB Live should have an IRQ, but it'll only use DMA channels in DOS.

Malc.

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by Eldre » Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:23:42



>> It has an IRQ of 11(always did), but no DMA.  The SBLive has a DMA,
>though.

>By DMA not being enabled I didn't mean the DMA channels for ISA cards,
>sorry for the misunderstanding. Your Hard Drive uses DMA (probably
>UDMA100), the PCI & AGP bridges use DMA too. This is what the 4-in-1
>drivers enable, among other things, and it allows background processes to
>be shunted directly to memory rather than via the CPU. It can consume alot
>of resources if it's not enabled, but if you have installed the 4-in-1
>drivers I guess that's not the problem anyway.

>Your SB Live should have an IRQ, but it'll only use DMA channels in DOS.

Yep, SB emulation.

So, I'm right back where I started - a system that runs at <50% of benchmark
potential... :-(

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by Goy Larse » Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:27:01


> Well, I pulled the SCSI card, downloaded and installed the VIA drivers, kicked
> up the graphics acceleration to max(under 'performance').  All of that gets me
> to about 3730 on average.  I saw 3800 once when I changed the test from 32-bit
> to 16-bit.  Plenty of hard drive space, no other programs running,
> virus-checked and ad-aware'd.  I don't get it...
> Are you *sure* about that benchmark number?  I only have an Athlon 1.2G, with
> 384mb ram.  

Oh yes, no question, and the CPU chart at Tom's confirms this

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/cpu_charts-23.html

Not sure what's eating resources on your PC Eldred, but it's def
something, you don't happen to have an old HD lying about would you,
just any old HD big enough to hold Win98 and a few games and benchmarks,
and old 2-3 GB drive would be perfect for the job

That way you could test with a fresh/clean Windows install

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Darryl Johnso

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by Darryl Johnso » Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:52:32




>>> It has an IRQ of 11(always did), but no DMA.  The SBLive has a
>>> DMA,
>>though.

>>By DMA not being enabled I didn't mean the DMA channels for ISA
>>cards, sorry for the misunderstanding. Your Hard Drive uses DMA
>>(probably UDMA100), the PCI & AGP bridges use DMA too. This is
>>what the 4-in-1 drivers enable, among other things, and it allows
>>background processes to be shunted directly to memory rather than
>>via the CPU. It can consume alot of resources if it's not enabled,
>>but if you have installed the 4-in-1 drivers I guess that's not
>>the problem anyway.

>>Your SB Live should have an IRQ, but it'll only use DMA channels
>>in DOS.

> Yep, SB emulation.

> So, I'm right back where I started - a system that runs at <50% of
> benchmark potential... :-(

> Eldred

Eldred,

Try downloading SiSoftware Sandra and running it on your system. It
may well point out what is wrong in the recommendations section at
the bottom of each diagnostic check.

        http://www.sisoftware.net/

I'm running XP Home, so I have Sandra 2004 Standard running. I can't
recall offhand if you said you were still running '98 or not, but it
should work on your system as long as it is 32-bit.

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:06:21


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Great - my system has all the speed of a 400mhz Celeron...

Dunno if that would even make a difference.  I'll probably end up with the same
performance.  After all, I had to replace my hard drive in September after the
old one crashed.  So for a while, this one only had windows and GPL - nothing
else.

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by Eldre » Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:06:21



>Eldred,

>Try downloading SiSoftware Sandra and running it on your system. It
>may well point out what is wrong in the recommendations section at
>the bottom of each diagnostic check.

>            http://www.sisoftware.net/

>I'm running XP Home, so I have Sandra 2004 Standard running. I can't
>recall offhand if you said you were still running '98 or not, but it
>should work on your system as long as it is 32-bit.

Ok, thanks.  I'm just about to give up on this thing...

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by Eldre » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 06:07:25



>>I'm running XP Home, so I have Sandra 2004 Standard running. I can't
>>recall offhand if you said you were still running '98 or not, but it
>>should work on your system as long as it is 32-bit.

>Ok, thanks.  I'm just about to give up on this thing...

That program locks up on the mainboard testing.  I don't know why.  I also
haven't been able to gain any useful info from the other modules included in
the program.  Maybe I just don't know what to look for.
'Course, that may not matter much anymore.  My main GPL league just folded -
that was the last one that I raced actively.  So now there's not much incentive
left... :-(

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by Darryl Johnso » Fri, 02 Jan 2004 03:53:44




>>>I'm running XP Home, so I have Sandra 2004 Standard running. I
>>>can't recall offhand if you said you were still running '98 or
>>>not, but it should work on your system as long as it is 32-bit.

>>Ok, thanks.  I'm just about to give up on this thing...

> That program locks up on the mainboard testing.  I don't know why.
>  I also haven't been able to gain any useful info from the other
> modules included in the program.  Maybe I just don't know what to
> look for. 'Course, that may not matter much anymore.  My main GPL
> league just folded - that was the last one that I raced actively.
> So now there's not much incentive left... :-(

> Eldred

I would guess that there is something wrong with your motherboard (or
the BIOS settings). If it were me, I'd be hauling it in for a
professional setup, or I'd be shopping for a new system (probably the
latter).

There are still some GPL leagues around Eldred. Don't give up.

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