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Season 2 race 1 hits the track on Sunday March 14th at 9AM eastern in
Trois Rivieres Quebec.

Full season schedule & rules here:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Join here:  http://www.racesimcentral.net/

For those diehard Tptcc'ers...there is a series running Tuesday Nights
(NAmerican Time) that desperately needs drivers to keep it afloat.The
series will remain with the Tptcc mod if we get enough guys that would
prefer to run TPTCC as opposed to the PWF mod.

Link is here  http://transam.issrl.com/

Thanks for your time

Adrian

What's wrong with the newly released PWF mod ?

On paper, it appears to be better.

-Larry

The impression I've gotten from people who have run both is that visible damage
is the only thing that's better.  The driver viewpoint has more limited vision
as well.  And, using PWF would entail that people repaint their cars.  The
disadvantages outweigh the benefits for the people who have already run
TPTCC...

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The initial driving position in PWF was a bit low in the car, making it hard
to see some of the apexes, but they quickly fixed that.  For me the cars
actually felt better then TPTCC as I thought there was more of a gradual
progression from grip to no-grip, but I've been told I was imagining that.
I also swapped wheel/pedals so maybe thats where the difference was.

mcewena

Although I haven't downloaded it yet, there is a patch for the
***pit view -- I gather it sets the driver's eyes somewhat higher so
they can see a little better out the front. Available for those who
_do_ have time to try it, at the PWF site.

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  Darryl

Ok - it was unimportant in the league I was in that was discussing it. :-)  The
thinking being, who cares if you see damage?  You're not supposed to hit
anything in the FIRST place...<g>

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   yes it is a big  problem, just like the shrunken cars in the PWF mod are
a problem.  The Viper and Vettes are rather longish, yet in PWF they are
same as the Mustang.  And while the Jag looks correct, I suspect it's
squished into the shorter box to fit damage.  
   The best solution for TPTCC would be to delete the shortish Mustang and
replace it with another car that is approximentally the same size as the
other cars.  Take a screenshot ofthe TPTCC Competition Coupe Viper and then
take a still shot of the PWF CC Viper.  Tell me which one looks 'right.'
   Damage is something that the TPTCC team is working on.  This points out
the shortcommings of Nr2k3 as a mod base when compared to F1c which is
INFINITELy more flexible in regard to chassis shape and size and damage and  
differing physics.  But the inherrant advantage of Nr2k3 online balances
out it's shortcommings.

   Offline I tend these days to run the ETCC mod for F1c while I race the
TPTCC mod in the TPTCC B class league all while prepping a PWF Viper for
the upcomming 6 hour race at Daytona with my two Team SMO teammates.

Dave Henrie

I kinda felt that overall the PWF was a more polished Mod.  But that's just
ke :)

-Larry

Viper Competition Coupe: 184.1 in.
Corvette: 179.7 in.
Mustang: 183.2 in.
Ford GT: 182.8
Jaguar XK: 187.4

The Viper, Mustang, and GT are less than 2 inches different in length.  To
fit the same box the Vette would have to be stretched, not the Mustang, but
you are correct that the Jag would have to be shrunk.  Thing is, the claim
has been that the Mustang is short and that cannot be the case if they are
modelled correctly.  If anything the Vette should have the worst problem as
it is the shortest and will be hitting everybody without ever appearing to
make contact.

The max difference we have is only 8 inches, which would be 4 inches front
and rear if the car is centered in its box.  Taking the concept a little
further, why not set the collision box to the median size, ~184 in., and
allow the longer cars to stick outside the box slightly, making sure that
every car is centered in its box?  Then you would literally be able to get
within 2 inches visually before a collision happens, and in some cases
(longest vs. shortest, avg. vs. avg) the appearance would be approximately
correct.  I have never seen anyone online succeed in getting within 2 inches
of another car without bumping, even when the collision boxes are correct.
Even 6 or 8 inches would be pushing it online, particularly in road racing.

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Concerning width, in most sedan racing series the cars are all going to be
the same width, regardless of the width of the different production bodies.
The regulations stipulate the tire size and the maximum track, everybody
wants to run the maximum tire and track, and nobody wants the body to be any
wider than the outside of the tires.  Consequently they all end up at
approximately the same width.

So the lengths are all very close and, in the case of a fictional series
like TPTCC, can be made equal simply by playing with splitter length and
rear overhang.  For realism the widths should be equalized by stretching or
shrinking the model laterally, or by playing with fender flare dimensions,
just like they would have to do in a real silhouette series.  And the height
is irrelevant from a driving standpoint.  So the TPTCC situation where we
appear to have models that miss their bounding box by several feet seems to
me to be unnecessary.

  2003 Corvette Coupe 2003 Corvette C5-R
Body Style: Two-door hatchback coupe Two-door hatchback coupe
Drivetrain: Longitudinal front engine, rear-wheel-drive Longitudinal front
engine, rear-wheel-drive
Transmission: 6-speed manual transaxle 6-speed manual transaxle
Chassis: Hydroformed steel chassis, composite body Hydroformed steel
chassis, composite body
Length: 179.7"     182.8"
Width: 73.6"       78.7"
Height: 47.7"      45.8"
Wheelbase: 104.5"  104.7"
Front Track: 61.9"  74.7"
Rear Track: 62.0"  76.1"
Weight: 3,246 lbs.  2,530 lbs.

The racing C5r 'grew' some in length and quite alot in width after it's
first year in competition against the Viper at LeMans.