-Cheers!
-Cheers!
I *think* you can request yer provider turn off line interleaving.
--Steve
> I looked into DSL and Verizon and Earthlink use what is called line
> interleaving. This is bad for online *** so let the buyer beware. I
also
> hear all the horror stories concerning DSL (in my area) so I will stick to
> my 56K modem.
> BTW AT &T dial up is very good IMO :o))
> DC
> > > Just got offered a free month of Verizon DSL so I'm going to try it
> > > when it's activated 1-11-01 (640k residential service).
> > That comes with "up to" 90k uploading, but I have never had more than
> > 70-some k/s with that service.
> > Verizon quality varies greatly from area to area. In NYC it is terrible,
> > here around DC it is "ok". Recently I found very bad delays in getting
> > responses to actions from my pc, and after testing with my ISP's help
> > we discovered a severe routing problem of Verizon, major delays, lots
> > of lost packets, etc, all of which Verizon denied for a few days, until
> > finally the tech from my ISP found one tech person at Verizon who would
> > listen, and then he tracked it down to a bad card in a router at the
> > local office. While using Verizon as the DSL connector, I would urge
> > you to use another company as your actual ISP, so that you have their
> > help when it comes time to deal with Verizon tech issues.
> > Nope. SprintBroadband only $34 US/month. (Includes ISP also)
Still sounds a LOT cheaper than DSL...
Kevin Caldwell
Calgary, Canada
> > Now *that's* more like it!
> > > Nope. SprintBroadband only $34 US/month. (Includes ISP also)
> What's the catch? Have to buy $2k worth of equipment?
> Speed varies with system load? Not available everywhere?
> Still sounds a LOT cheaper than DSL...
I've personally heard enough horror stories about DSL to stick with cable
(not that I have a choice right now anyway).
They (RoadRunner) have been improving the latency times greatly over the
last couple of month's and it's hardly a problem now.
I have 1.5mb/sec down and 192k up.
Reliability has been excellent, though it hasn't always been that way.
Oh, and DSL has it's sharing problems too. Everyone uses the same internal
network and everyone uses the providers same pipe to the internet.
You don't have your _own_ guaranteed pipe to the internet with eithe rcable
OR Dsl.
JMHO.
-Larry
> DSL is better.
> 1. You choose the speed you need. If you mainly browse, you don't need
fast
> up, but you want fast d/l's. For games, you want fast up AND down.
> 2. You only have to pay for the speed you need.
> 3. The speed is constant. With cable, it slows down the more people are
> online (not the more people are watching TV). Not only does it slow down
> during prime time (when you want it most), but it slows down over time as
> more and more people sign up.
> 4. Unlike cable, where you generally only have one provider, you might
have
> as many as 50 providers for DSL. Competition keeps them sharp, and will
> eventually reduce prices way below cable.
> --Steve Smith
> > Happy holidays!
> > I always come here for OT advice and I've never been disappointed. I
> > currently have Comcast cable modem service and am satisfied with it. I
do
> > think it's getting slower at prime-time which is around 8-9pm (or maybe
> it's
> > my imagination since I know the shared network will eventually bog me
> > down!). Just got offered a free month of Verizon DSL so I'm going to
try
> it
> > when it's activated 1-11-01 (640k residential service). I need to pick
> one
> > going forward and need some advice.
> > Questions:
> > 1. Which is better for online racing/*** and why?
> > 2. Anything I should know about either service before I commit to one
> going
> > forward?
> > Thanks in advance.
> > --
> > Joe Marques
-Larry
The latency times are measured in seconds sometimes, not milliseconds.
It's a longggg way up to that Satellite and back :)
DirecPC, with it's dial-up uplink is impossible...
-Larry
> Another possibility is MSN Satellite:
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> It's supposedly available now at Radio Shack, but you have to buy a new
> PC from Radio Shack to get it. The next version is supposed to be
> installable on any PC.
> Alison
> >(If it's available in your area,) SPRINT Broadband Wireless beats DSL and
> >Cable hands down. www.sprintbroadband.com.
> >-Cheers!!
> Alison
> Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me.
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Finally, one of the best ISP's in the area is Heller Information Services in
Rockeville. Paul Heller is a class-act.
-Larry
> > Just got offered a free month of Verizon DSL so I'm going to try it
> > when it's activated 1-11-01 (640k residential service).
> That comes with "up to" 90k uploading, but I have never had more than
> 70-some k/s with that service.
> Verizon quality varies greatly from area to area. In NYC it is terrible,
> here around DC it is "ok". Recently I found very bad delays in getting
> responses to actions from my pc, and after testing with my ISP's help
> we discovered a severe routing problem of Verizon, major delays, lots
> of lost packets, etc, all of which Verizon denied for a few days, until
> finally the tech from my ISP found one tech person at Verizon who would
> listen, and then he tracked it down to a bad card in a router at the
> local office. While using Verizon as the DSL connector, I would urge
> you to use another company as your actual ISP, so that you have their
> help when it comes time to deal with Verizon tech issues.
Bandwidth is ok (except DirecPC - don't get me started...) but latencies are
ridiculous.
-Larry
> > Thanks for the link to Sprint Broadband, Reg!
> > Another possibility is MSN Satellite:
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > It's supposedly available now at Radio Shack, but you have to buy a new
> > PC from Radio Shack to get it. The next version is supposed to be
> > installable on any PC.
> > Alison
> > >(If it's available in your area,) SPRINT Broadband Wireless beats DSL
and
> > >Cable hands down. www.sprintbroadband.com.
> > >-Cheers!!
> > Alison
> You might want to reseach these because I have read that they have good
> bandwidth, but the latency is high. This makes for bad online ***,
> especially racing and flight sims.
> Dash
Nicely done post.
-Larry
> IMO, the shared-media argument against cable is a red herring. My cable
runs
> at 1.5 mbps down and 325 mpbs up after three years.
> MediaOne/RoadRunner has generally managed to upgrade before performance
has
> become an issue. This is not to say that there haven't been problems,
> though. For two extended periods of about 1-1 1/2 months each, over the
last
> three years, I have had some routing problems that made my system useless
> as a server on GPL. The rest of the time, I have had one of the better
> servers in my leagues.
> In both cases though, it was not the local cable loop, but the routing
> through the Internet backbone that has been the issue.
> OTOH, Some of the folks in my leagues have never been able to reliably
host
> using their cable connections, for unknown, and unresolved reasons.
> OTOOH, I have NEVER been able to race reliably on a DSL host in my
leagues.
> The pings to the first hop from the host are often high.
> Competion in the DSL market is an illusion. There are only a handful of
> companies providing the actual DSL service. Many ISPs are offering DSL,
but
> they are typically reselling service from one of the CLECs. They are
> universally useless in providing technical support, because they have no
> control over the network or equipment installtion.
> IMO, in several years, the DSL industry will consolidate, and only the
Baby
> Bells, wireless companies and other large telecomms will be able to afford
> the infrastructure.
> While you have both installed, compare the pings and number of hops
between
> you and some of the better known servers out there. Also try hosting some
> races and get people to send you traceroutes. That's the only way to
really
> compare.
> Regards,
> Gordon
> > Happy holidays!
> > I always come here for OT advice and I've never been disappointed. I
> > currently have Comcast cable modem service and am satisfied with it. I
do
> > think it's getting slower at prime-time which is around 8-9pm (or maybe
> it's
> > my imagination since I know the shared network will eventually bog me
> > down!). Just got offered a free month of Verizon DSL so I'm going to
try
> it
> > when it's activated 1-11-01 (640k residential service). I need to pick
> one
> > going forward and need some advice.
> > Questions:
> > 1. Which is better for online racing/*** and why?
> > 2. Anything I should know about either service before I commit to one
> going
> > forward?
> > Thanks in advance.
> > --
> > Joe Marques
My cable is capped at 1.5mb/sec down, and 192k up.
-Larry
> > IMO, the shared-media argument against cable is a red herring. My cable
> runs
> > at 1.5 mbps down and 325 mpbs up after three years.
> > MediaOne/RoadRunner has generally managed to upgrade before performance
> has
> > become an issue. This is not to say that there haven't been problems,
> > though. For two extended periods of about 1-1 1/2 months each, over the
> last
> > three years, I have had some routing problems that made my system
useless
> > as a server on GPL. The rest of the time, I have had one of the better
> > servers in my leagues.
> > In both cases though, it was not the local cable loop, but the routing
> > through the Internet backbone that has been the issue.
> > OTOH, Some of the folks in my leagues have never been able to reliably
> host
> > using their cable connections, for unknown, and unresolved reasons.
> > OTOOH, I have NEVER been able to race reliably on a DSL host in my
> leagues.
> > The pings to the first hop from the host are often high.
> > Competion in the DSL market is an illusion. There are only a handful of
> > companies providing the actual DSL service. Many ISPs are offering DSL,
> but
> > they are typically reselling service from one of the CLECs. They are
> > universally useless in providing technical support, because they have no
> > control over the network or equipment installtion.
> > IMO, in several years, the DSL industry will consolidate, and only the
> Baby
> > Bells, wireless companies and other large telecomms will be able to
afford
> > the infrastructure.
> > While you have both installed, compare the pings and number of hops
> between
> > you and some of the better known servers out there. Also try hosting
some
> > races and get people to send you traceroutes. That's the only way to
> really
> > compare.
> > Regards,
> > Gordon
> > > Happy holidays!
> > > I always come here for OT advice and I've never been disappointed. I
> > > currently have Comcast cable modem service and am satisfied with it.
I
> do
> > > think it's getting slower at prime-time which is around 8-9pm (or
maybe
> > it's
> > > my imagination since I know the shared network will eventually bog me
> > > down!). Just got offered a free month of Verizon DSL so I'm going to
> try
> > it
> > > when it's activated 1-11-01 (640k residential service). I need to
pick
> > one
> > > going forward and need some advice.
> > > Questions:
> > > 1. Which is better for online racing/*** and why?
> > > 2. Anything I should know about either service before I commit to one
> > going
> > > forward?
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > --
> > > Joe Marques
Correct. I have 320K up and down...
Like?
But this is completely different than the cable model which has many users
using the same network cable, which is much like thin wire BNC networking.
Well I have 320K guaranteed DSL. Exactly what proof do you have to
support your statement?
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They all do this huh??? My DSL is SDSL... I am doing 320K
both ways... But wait some guy on the internet says it is
really 192K up...
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