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The Ring rookie tips

Tim Vanhe

The Ring rookie tips

by Tim Vanhe » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Iv'e scraped toghter all my courage and I'm going to learn the Ring.
It's sooo frustrating not knowing what corner will be next.
What car would be the best car & setup that will forgive most of my
mistakes? A car with who I can concentrate more on learning the track
instead of struggling to keep in on the road.
Do the fastest guys know the ring by heart?
I tried the brabham with A.Hines setup because it's a light nimble car but I
can't keep it under control, it seems to go even better using the Lotus. Is
it the setup or is it me?
Chag Roger

The Ring rookie tips

by Chag Roger » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I hate to say it Tim but it's you.  You just have to commit to knowing/
learning the whole track and once you do you have climbed the highest
sim-racing mountain out there.  As far as the setups go, the default Lotus
and Brabham are pretty good.  I'm not the ring king, but can run in the low
8:20's with the defaults.  Good luck.

Chad Rogers
chadliz


Matthias Flat

The Ring rookie tips

by Matthias Flat » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00



You are from .be?
Then scrape together all your BEF and go to the Nuerburgring. Having
seen (or driven) it in real will help you a lot at learing the 1967
Ring in GPL. And don't forget to go there via Spa.

It's not only the corners.
Don't forget the bumps, too.

Any car will do that when driven in 5th gear only.
Gives you enough time to memorize the track, and you don't have to
Shift-R yourself out of the hedges and forests all the time.

Certainly.

--
Matthias Flatt

Jason Mond

The Ring rookie tips

by Jason Mond » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hi Tim,

The Ferrari at the Ring is the best ride for me.  Try my setup....
(Even though this was a GPL 1.0 setup the ride height is 3.0"+
so the 2.5" minimum high won't cause lots of changes)

http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/Ferrari.html

For the recotd, this new setup got me from 3:40+ to 3:20's :-D

Nothing will make you go faster than not crashing at every
corner.  Just take it slowly in 3rd gear and learn the 14 segments
of the track.  Each of them has their own flow.

Jason.


> Iv'e scraped toghter all my courage and I'm going to learn the Ring.
> It's sooo frustrating not knowing what corner will be next.
> What car would be the best car & setup that will forgive most of my
> mistakes? A car with who I can concentrate more on learning the track
> instead of struggling to keep in on the road.
> Do the fastest guys know the ring by heart?
> I tried the brabham with A.Hines setup because it's a light nimble car but I
> can't keep it under control, it seems to go even better using the Lotus. Is
> it the setup or is it me?

--
Jason Monds
http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups
http://members.home.net/stuff.mondsj/n3prc - Nascar3 Pro Racing Club
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μartij

The Ring rookie tips

by μartij » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Are you nuts? You're sending this guy to a 22km racetrack where he will be
cruising around while he's being overtaken left, right and center by
motorcycles doing 220kmh! And that at 10 dollars a lap! This must be the
worst advice ever.

I have been to the real Ring, and I must say, it was VERY helpful to know
all corners by heart, I never got surprised. But learning the Ring costed
me at least 20 laps. I'm very glad I learned it in a simulator, not on the
real track. Both for financial and safety reasons.

Benjami

The Ring rookie tips

by Benjami » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Watching Wolfgang Woeger's lap in a Lotus inspired me down the same road,
I've made progress but still need to shave off a minute and change.... 'it's
not a game, it's an adventure!'

I have pretty much gotten spoiled on the Eagle for every track - I like the
balance and know what to expect from it. You just have to take it slow
enough to not go off for an entire lap - then do it again, and again.... and
again - forget fast times until you get to the point that wherever you are
on the track, you know what the next turn is going to require. As for the
setup, every one has their own preference, I like a somewhat soft
suspension, to get some chassis roll, with the rear springs soft enough that
I don't spin it coming out of the turns. I tend to drive by "weight shift"
because I can understand the physics of it better than throttle steering....
I'm getting there, but it's still weird... <G>

Yes. At first, that seems impossible, but after enough laps without huntin'
rabbits in the bushes, you will notice distinctly different sections with
their own "personality" and once you know which section is next and what to
do with it, it gets easier..

It's you, but don't let that bother you.... just takes time. I know the
Lotus is a hot little puppy, but I also know I can't drive the dang thing
yet... that's why I like the Eagle - it's pretty fast but a lot more
forgiving than the Brabham or Lotus. I REALLY liked the way the BRM handled
and "felt" but it's just too damn slow - and with me driving it, it was even
slower.... <G>

~I have discovered that making it down  the Dottinger Hohe straight without
wiping out at the bridge is a helluva rush trying to get slowed for
Tiergarten....

Stephen Warrio

The Ring rookie tips

by Stephen Warrio » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00


>The Ferrari at the Ring is the best ride for me.  Try my setup....
>(Even though this was a GPL 1.0 setup the ride height is 3.0"+
>so the 2.5" minimum high won't cause lots of changes)

>http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/Ferrari.html

>For the recotd, this new setup got me from 3:40+ to 3:20's :-D

Surely you're referring to Spa here, not the Ring.
Jason Mond

The Ring rookie tips

by Jason Mond » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hehe, actually i was referring to the Ring, but the 3 should be an 8 :-)

8:40 down to 8:29.

Jason.



> >The Ferrari at the Ring is the best ride for me.  Try my setup....
> >(Even though this was a GPL 1.0 setup the ride height is 3.0"+
> >so the 2.5" minimum high won't cause lots of changes)

> >http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/Ferrari.html

> >For the recotd, this new setup got me from 3:40+ to 3:20's :-D

> Surely you're referring to Spa here, not the Ring.

--
Jason Monds
http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups
http://members.home.net/stuff.mondsj/n3prc - Nascar3 Pro Racing Club
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Werner Hube

The Ring rookie tips

by Werner Hube » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hi Tim

Not only the fastest guys know the Ring by heart. So do I, and I'm definitely not one of
the fastest. My recommendation: drive a few laps around the Ring every day, and you will
learn it in some days. Later, when you are driving other tracks, always return to the Ring
from time to time for a "refresh".

IMHO the Brabham is not the best choice for beginners, it's not much easier to control
than the Lotus. I recommend the Cooper/Coventry or the Eagle.

In the beginning, don't worry about setups and lap times. Learn the track and try to stay
on the road, then you can start optimizing your setups.

Werner

Tim Vanhee schrieb:

AP

The Ring rookie tips

by AP » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:44:17 -0000, "Robin Lord"


>There is a ring driving guide off my site:
>http://www.oppositelock.co.uk
>and a another more recent (and better) but incomplete one here:
>http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com/trackguides/gpl/ring/index.html

This guide is great at Eric C?t Sim Racing Mag
http://simracing.com/simracingmag/roland1_c.html
Michael Youn

The Ring rookie tips

by Michael Youn » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

My 2: learn the track first, at whatever leisurely rate keeps you on the
tarmac. Turn on realistic damage, and pretend you're driving mother to the
grocery store. Go out of your way to give her a good scare, but don't hit
the airbags. Talk to the cat as you wend your way through, anything to take
your mind off the clock. I know the Ring better than I know my daily
commute.

Michael.


definitely not one of

DLK

The Ring rookie tips

by DLK » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Another ring driving guide (in process but good for a few laughs anyway):

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jimmibo/gpl/index.htm

The Mars mission at the bottom of the page is good for a few laughs also.


> On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:44:17 -0000, "Robin Lord"

> >There is a ring driving guide off my site:
> >http://www.oppositelock.co.uk
> >and a another more recent (and better) but incomplete one here:
> >http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com/trackguides/gpl/ring/index.html

> This guide is great at Eric C?t Sim Racing Mag
> http://simracing.com/simracingmag/roland1_c.html

> >No substitute for practice though

Marc Merce

The Ring rookie tips

by Marc Merce » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Alisons Ring Brabham setup is a nightmare.... keep well away!

Cooper is by far the best car to learn the ring with.

Try schubis page for a nice cooper setup (maybe even try my one (found in
the history 1.0 section - 8m03.8)

One final tip:  don't push ... drive slow enough that you complete at least
3 in 4 laps there . The learning curve will be so much steeper

Good Luck

Marc Mercer

Peter Ive

The Ring rookie tips

by Peter Ive » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Guaranteed, anyone who's doing under 8:30 at the Ring is doing so
because they know what's coming next.  They know what gear they should
be in, when they should be braking and where they should be aiming to
position the car.  There's no reason you shouldn't be able to do the
same. (Time permitting <g>)
--
Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.


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