rec.autos.simulators

by **jame** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:23:01

I'm not too into the comings and goings of CART and IRL games licensing so
sorry if this is one of those eternally asked questions.

Why didn't Papy every release a followup to ICR2? Did EA et al get the
licences and prevent them from doing it.

If so, its a great shame 'cos I'd love to play an up to date CART game with
the graphics of GPL. Did any of the CART games that came out after ICR2
compare to it in sim status or were they all too arcadey.

James

by **TRUSRS** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:05:47

CART sim!!
wE Need a new CART sim now PAPY!!!!

CART
CART
CART
CART!!!!!!!

by **Ashley McConnel** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:17:21

Lol, I knew you would answer this one :)

by **Michael Staa** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:08:12

Hi there,

Was really not that big surprise ;-). He would not get good quotes on the
bookkeepers...

Greetings,

Michael Staab
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Staabi's Mountain Bike Classics www.mtb-classic.de
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by **Jason Mond** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:11:19

... AND physics of N4 :)

> If so, its a great shame 'cos I'd love to play an up to date CART game with
> the graphics of GPL.
> James

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by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:02:35

Trusrs85 said it all but here is the history lesson.
ICR2 was made by papyrus. I assume it sold well. Nascar 2 then was made
and I assume it sold MUCH MUCH better. Nascar 50th anniversary pak was
sold.
the Busch add-on. CART Racing was released this was a repackaged version of
ICR2 with a fully patched 3d Rendition version included. Nascar 99 was a
repackaging of N2/CTS/& Busch.(with a few tweeks that improved it over N2)
GPL was released and did NOT sell very well. N3 added improved graphics, and
better race strategy and a very good multiplayer component. But was still
based on the N2 code...although heavily revised.
N4 was released with work continuing at this time on a 2nd patch. At least
one interview with a person connected to Papyrus...but not an
employee...stated Papyrus would like to do another F1 product...guessing
here as a late 70's early 80's era sim, but that Sierra is pushing for a
Nascar 5 before another openwheel product gets released.
My hunch...and I've been VERY wrong before about these things before, is
that Papyrus will NOT do another Sim based on Cart or even IRL. I do
beleive that one of the current products for F1 or Nascar will get a limited
license from CART and some sort of commercial patch will be released...most
likely in a similar strategy as the Half Life mod, Counterstrike.(which
began as a free addon and is now a fully commercial product.)
The arcade license for CART was sold to Midway something about a year or
two ago...but through, I beleive, 2000; Papyrus had an active license for a
CART sim that they did not pursue.
Keep in mind these are only my guesses and I have NO inside information.
Only little clues I've picked up here and there on the net. I could be so
far wrong that a new CART title might already be on store shelves...but then
again...save this message and see how close I really am when it all shakes
out.
dave henrie

by **Olav K. Malm** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:17:21

> Trusrs85 said it all but here is the history lesson.
> ICR2 was made by papyrus. I assume it sold well. Nascar 2 then was made
> and I assume it sold MUCH MUCH better. Nascar 50th anniversary pak was
> sold.
> the Busch add-on. CART Racing was released this was a repackaged version of
> ICR2 with a fully patched 3d Rendition version included. Nascar 99 was a
> repackaging of N2/CTS/& Busch.(with a few tweeks that improved it over N2)
> GPL was released and did NOT sell very well. N3 added improved graphics, and
> better race strategy and a very good multiplayer component. But was still
> based on the N2 code...although heavily revised.

Many good points here. My favorite post from 98 is however:

>Subject: Papyrus CART Racing for 99
>Date: 04/25/1998

>Papyrus is currently planning on releasing the sequel to CART Racing
>sometime in 1999. The as-yet-unnamed product will be based on the
>physics system that will debut in Grand Prix Legends.

>As always, I'm more than happy to do my best to confirm or deny any
>rumors that arise concerning Papyrus products. (although I obviously can't
>always comment on everything) I am just an email away.

>Mike Lescault
>Producer
>Papyrus/Sierra Sports

So it seems they actually had a good plan, but was probably dropped
because of the economy problems with a not so selling GPL. Wasn't it
around then that Papy was bought by Sierra also ?

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by **Matt Lanze** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:54:46

> wE Need a new CART sim now PAPY!!!!

> CART
> CART
> CART
> CART!!!!!!!

NYR, you are the MAN!

Warlock!

by **John Bod** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:57:56

Papy dropped the ball -- they're NASCAR slaves these days, plain and
simple. We'll probably never see an open wheel sim from Papy because
they're too locked-in with the NASCAR gravy train. Quite a shame.

You have three choices these days:

IRL Heat 2000 mod for NASCAR Heat (Final release available)
(http://irlheat.bhmotorsports.com/)

CART Heat mod for NASCAR Heat (Beta release available)
(http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/)

CART CS2K for F1 Championship Season 2000 (Beta release available)
(http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm)

Basically, the IRL and CART licensing folks also dropped the ball by
allowing their licenses to be used exclusively by companies that
essentially HAVEN'T uses the licenses (Infogrames for the IRL and
Midway for CART). These exclusive license agreements have prevented
other developers or publishers from picking up the license for use.

The other main problem is that most developers and publishers don't
see a market for an IRL or CART sim -- they just don't feel the
audience is there, compared to the audience for F1 or NASCAR products.

Thankfully, the third-party developers have this area covered. <G>

-- JB

by **John Bod** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:47:15

>> Trusrs85 said it all but here is the history lesson.
>> ICR2 was made by papyrus. I assume it sold well. Nascar 2 then was made
>> and I assume it sold MUCH MUCH better. Nascar 50th anniversary pak was
>> sold.
>> the Busch add-on. CART Racing was released this was a repackaged version of
>> ICR2 with a fully patched 3d Rendition version included. Nascar 99 was a
>> repackaging of N2/CTS/& Busch.(with a few tweeks that improved it over N2)
>> GPL was released and did NOT sell very well. N3 added improved graphics, and
>> better race strategy and a very good multiplayer component. But was still
>> based on the N2 code...although heavily revised.

>Many good points here. My favorite post from 98 is however:

>>Subject: Papyrus CART Racing for 99
>>Date: 04/25/1998

>>Papyrus is currently planning on releasing the sequel to CART Racing
>>sometime in 1999. The as-yet-unnamed product will be based on the
>>physics system that will debut in Grand Prix Legends.

>>As always, I'm more than happy to do my best to confirm or deny any
>>rumors that arise concerning Papyrus products. (although I obviously can't
>>always comment on everything) I am just an email away.

>>Mike Lescault
>>Producer
>>Papyrus/Sierra Sports

Liar, liar, pants on fire . . .

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by **Thom j** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:55:56

John you wrote this? RAS has warped you mind!! Phew..lol :o)~

| Liar, liar, pants on fire . . .

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by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:00:33

That.. seems to happen to more of us Thom :)

Andre

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by **John Pavlice** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:30:57

> The other main problem is that most developers and publishers don't
> see a market for an IRL or CART sim -- they just don't feel the
> audience is there, compared to the audience for F1 or NASCAR products.

> Thankfully, the third-party developers have this area covered. <G>

> -- JB

Too bad you can't set the cars up like a CART/IRL car. Somehow, adding
wedge to loosen the car up just seemed odd last night with the IRL Patch.
:) Nice add-on by the way, now I just have to figure out the AI levels
that are competitive with me.

-Pav

by **Thom j** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:37:22

LOL I guess you got my left'handed comment Andre!! :-) I am the biggest
offender of "Warped'ism" on here now!! hahaha Its all Lucifer & Dave H's
fault!! They did it to me!!

| That.. seems to happen to more of us Thom :)
|
| Andre

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| >
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