rec.autos.simulators

by **Top-poste** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 04:01:39

What a crock of shi'ite.
ALL CRT's cause eyestrain, you wallaby.
If you knew your arse from your elbow, you'd understand that it's the
refresh black-white-black alternation which taxes the visual cortex -
causing eyestrain.

FFS .... I'm just so fed up with these morons who've never tried a decent
LCD coming in here and making up bullshit to support their "points of view".
No honestly, you sack of shi'ite ... before you post another bullshi'ite
post, go out and BUY an LCD - then you'll realise that you're a childish
*** who can't resist telling whoppers.

Yea a 14" interlaced VGA

> running 56hz will have you seeing all sorts of anomalies after a couple

> 12-15 hr day 7-10 days in a row.

> Bottom line. I cant get an LCD of the same size/price as a CRT so none of
> your other arguments hold any water for me. When the markets meet this
> demand (as I expect in another yr or so) then I'll go LCD. Till then Im
> more than happy with my 22" CRT Monster :)

> Mitch

> > You obviously haven't tried a good LCD.
> > CRT's hurt your eyes after more than an hour or two, but you can stare
at
> an
> > LCD forever and there's no eyestrain whatsoever.
> > Other than which, colour saturation is much greater on an LCD - so they
> are
> > much more vibrant.
> > I won't mention flatness, no reflection, no static, no desk-hogging or
> > portability - and that's before we even start on DVI (expensive in
CRT's,
> > defacto on decent LCD's).
> > When you try a good LCD, I promise you'll laugh at what you've just
> written.

by **Top-poste** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 04:02:44

No, but I'll tell you you're phucking well lying - you sack of shi'ite.

Get a life you phucking ***.

> Weeeeellllllllll, I Have tried them, and they suck compared to my monitor.
So
> there. Next you'll me telling me you race on a laptop?
> :))

> --
> Tim White

> > > The ONLY people who claim that CRT's are better for *** are those
who've
> > never tried a decent LCD.
> > Why not keep it shut until you're qualified to make the call ?

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 04:58:13

> I was saying the same thing right here months ago.

I know, and I was one of those who didn't really believe you, I should
have known better than to trust the opinion of "Tom's" even if it was
backed up by a few other places

As punishment I will install and run*** Johnson's V8 Racing for a time
period of no less than 48 hours in total

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:57:16

My 22" Mitsubishi says you can kiss it's ***:)

-Larry

Go for it... free your desk of that huge boat anchor.

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:04:02

Oh, one other thing...

Check the warranty, especially the Backlight Warranty!!!

If possible, contact the manufacturer and ask them what their charge would
be to replace a defective backlight OUT of warranty.

Don't be suprised if you don't get an answer, from anyone. That's because
the backlight is the LCD industries DLS (Dirty Little Secret).

I can't believe I'm on this rant again :) But, the major computer
periodicals simply refuse to cover this most-important issue.

First, you must understand that eventually the Backlight _will_ fail. It is
the #1 failure spot on LCD's, Desktop or Laptop.

And when it does, don't believe for a second that they will sell you a $20
light bulb. Nosiree.... You are in for a major shock. They will only
replace the entire LCD panel even if the bulb is replaceable (and from what
I hear most of them _are_ replaceable).

I have to send 20-40 Laptops a year out for LCD replacements due to bad
Backlights. The one's that are out of warranty cost around $900 a pop
because of a $20 lamp.

It's disgusting to me. It reminds me of printers that cost $80, when a new
set of cartridges for the same printer cost the same amount.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:06:08

From a visual standpoint, I agree. I have a 17" IBM LCD at work, which is
quite nice. At home I use a 22" Mistubishi DiamondPro 2060u. Both cost
about the same.

If I were forced to choose between the two, and factors such as size were
not an issue, the Mistu would win hands-down.

I really like LCD's, especially from a Text-Readability standpoint, but when
forced to choose...

-Larry

> > Well I run an Iiyama AS4315-UTBK with a Radeon 9800 pro at 437/770 - at
> > default 60 Hz "refresh" .... and not even a hint of ghosting.
> > You need a black-white-black pixel response time of 25ms or less.
> > But you must get DVI for beautiful colours and lemon sharp image
quality.
> > Your eyes won't regret flat panel.
> > Indeed, you'll wonder why you ever put up with CRT.

> Not if he had a good CRT like Eizo or IIyama. :)

> --
> Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
> ICQ: 138579247

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:07:53

I see you've read the latest "How to make friends and influence dogs"
books...

-Larry

> What a crock of shi'ite.
> ALL CRT's cause eyestrain, you wallaby.
> If you knew your arse from your elbow, you'd understand that it's the
> refresh black-white-black alternation which taxes the visual cortex -
> causing eyestrain.

> FFS .... I'm just so fed up with these morons who've never tried a decent
> LCD coming in here and making up bullshit to support their "points of
view".
> No honestly, you sack of shi'ite ... before you post another bullshi'ite
> post, go out and BUY an LCD - then you'll realise that you're a childish
> *** who can't resist telling whoppers.

> Yea a 14" interlaced VGA
> > running 56hz will have you seeing all sorts of anomalies after a couple

a
> > 12-15 hr day 7-10 days in a row.

> > Bottom line. I cant get an LCD of the same size/price as a CRT so none
of
> > your other arguments hold any water for me. When the markets meet this
> > demand (as I expect in another yr or so) then I'll go LCD. Till then Im
> > more than happy with my 22" CRT Monster :)

> > Mitch

> > > You obviously haven't tried a good LCD.
> > > CRT's hurt your eyes after more than an hour or two, but you can stare
> at
> > an
> > > LCD forever and there's no eyestrain whatsoever.
> > > Other than which, colour saturation is much greater on an LCD - so
they
> > are
> > > much more vibrant.
> > > I won't mention flatness, no reflection, no static, no desk-hogging or
> > > portability - and that's before we even start on DVI (expensive in
> CRT's,
> > > defacto on decent LCD's).
> > > When you try a good LCD, I promise you'll laugh at what you've just
> > written.

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:09:54

That's another good point to consider. The manufacturers "Dead Pixel
Policy". Some are quite gracious. Others are pure bullshit.

Don't expect a perfect panel. If every panel had to be perfect, these
things would cost $5000 (or so the argument goes).

-Larry

> > Very true Goy...i bought a customer the very same Samtron 17" LCD and it
is
> > just fine.

> > The reviewers best taken notice of are us..lol

> Yeah, it was a monitor that a customer returned due to pixel errors,
> actually a decent monitor for the price, I put it through it's paces and
> wouldn't mind one myself, too bad it doesn't have DVI so I'll prolly go
> one step up and get a Samsung

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:16:38

Oh, my. And the hits just keep a comin' :)

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:17:49

Yeah, I'm waiting for the next sale on that one myself :)

I have a spare port on my card and want to use it as a second display :)

-Larry

> Dell 1800. Highly reviewed by *** sources, and fairly cheap for 18 in.
> (sometimes offered on sale for abt. $400). I'll never buy another CRT.

> > My monitor is going to die and I'm thinking of those 17" LCD. Seems the
> > latest models are promising on specs but I'm concerning the refresh rate
> > not enough for car sims. Any recommendations?

> > Thanks..

by **Larr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:19:39

Google is your friend :)

I shit you not, I was searching for someting else (really) and I found a
page with *** Reviews with Google once.

-Larry

> There *are* differences...among models as well as makes...altho not quite
so
> apparent in 3D sims (like flying & driving). Dire, however, in FPS's and
> such. Before I buy ANYthing any more, I use Google to search the
newsgroups
> and forums to get the skinny on everything from Linux to Ridex.

> > > My monitor is going to die and I'm thinking of those 17" LCD. Seems
the
> > > latest models are promising on specs but I'm concerning the refresh
rate
> > > not enough for car sims. Any recommendations?

> > All new 15 and 17" LCDs are fine and fast enough. It's the 18+ inches
> > models that are the ones still using "old technology" and still need
> > to be checked out carefully.

> > Make sure you get a 'brand name' lcd and you'll be fine.

> > --
> > And on the 8th day God said, "OK Murphy, you take over."
> > ICQ: 138579247

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:13:59

> That's another good point to consider. The manufacturers "Dead Pixel
> Policy". Some are quite gracious. Others are pure bullshit.

> Don't expect a perfect panel. If every panel had to be perfect, these
> things would cost $5000 (or so the argument goes).

Well, my customers expect a perfect panel, and according to our consumer
laws he had the right to return it if wanted it to because of ONE dead
pixel, and he did even though I offered him a 100 dollar rebate, I on
the other hand didn't get a refund on it from the distributor

"One single dead pixel does not warrant an RMA or a refund"

Bastards, I now have a 17" LCD on display in my shop.....

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Phillip Malphrus, Jr** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:13:31

I own the Samsung 191T 19"" LCD model and I wouldnt give it up for anything,
well almost anything.

Phillip

> Thank you all for the comments.
> I'm now targeting Samsung 172 series. I kept hearing Samsung ones are
> good but Tom's Hardware Guide rates the latest model badly on game
> playing, which confused me a bit. Any of you own those Samsung LCDs?

> > My monitor is going to die and I'm thinking of those 17" LCD. Seems the
> > latest models are promising on specs but I'm concerning the refresh rate
> > not enough for car sims. Any recommendations?

> > Thanks..

by **Top-poste** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:27:54

Yeah, that's cheapo laptop LCD's - with very tight space constraints.
Quality standalones are built to much higher spec because they have the room
to house the kit.

by **Damien Smit** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:36:47

Gerry Aitken and Mr "Top-Poster" prefer LCDs.....

I rest my case.

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