rec.autos.simulators

by **Damien Smit** » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:21:59

Will any of the top players at the winter CPL be using LCDs? I suspect not.
;-)

by **Top-poste** » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:59:04

You obviously haven't tried a good LCD.
CRT's hurt your eyes after more than an hour or two, but you can stare at an
LCD forever and there's no eyestrain whatsoever.
Other than which, colour saturation is much greater on an LCD - so they are
much more vibrant.
I won't mention flatness, no reflection, no static, no desk-hogging or
portability - and that's before we even start on DVI (expensive in CRT's,
defacto on decent LCD's).
When you try a good LCD, I promise you'll laugh at what you've just written.

> > Well I run an Iiyama AS4315-UTBK with a Radeon 9800 pro at 437/770 - at
> > default 60 Hz "refresh" .... and not even a hint of ghosting.
> > You need a black-white-black pixel response time of 25ms or less.
> > But you must get DVI for beautiful colours and lemon sharp image
quality.
> > Your eyes won't regret flat panel.
> > Indeed, you'll wonder why you ever put up with CRT.

> Not if he had a good CRT like Eizo or IIyama. :)

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by **Top-poste** » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:00:02

not.

If not, they're fools living in the past.

by **Top-poste** » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:01:37

Yes, he should.
The ONLY people who claim that CRT's are better for *** are those who've
never tried a decent LCD.
Why not keep it shut until you're qualified to make the call ?

by **Steve Smit** » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:37:27

There *are* differences...among models as well as makes...altho not quite so
apparent in 3D sims (like flying & driving). Dire, however, in FPS's and
such. Before I buy ANYthing any more, I use Google to search the newsgroups
and forums to get the skinny on everything from Linux to Ridex.

> > My monitor is going to die and I'm thinking of those 17" LCD. Seems the
> > latest models are promising on specs but I'm concerning the refresh rate
> > not enough for car sims. Any recommendations?

> All new 15 and 17" LCDs are fine and fast enough. It's the 18+ inches
> models that are the ones still using "old technology" and still need
> to be checked out carefully.

> Make sure you get a 'brand name' lcd and you'll be fine.

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by **Damien Smit** » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:02:47

Er...I mentioned in my post that I've tried the latest and supposedly the
best LCD screens. Anyone who claims that there's no noticeable motion blur
on even the 16 and 20 ms LCDs is visually impaired. I'm glad they suit your
needs but they don't suit mine. They're getting there though and when the
response on newer models drop to a *true* 10ms or less I reckon they'll be
preferable to a CRT in terms of on-screen motion for *** gamers.

by **Damien Smit** » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:04:07

Yeah, world champion gamers are notorius for using outdated hardware.....

</sarcasm>

by **Gerry Aitken** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:48:04

>>My monitor is going to die and I'm thinking of those 17" LCD. Seems the
>>latest models are promising on specs but I'm concerning the refresh rate
>>not enough for car sims. Any recommendations?

> Until a little while I ago I trusted a few web sites who said that LCD's
> were not very good for *** unless you got a really "fast" (expensive)
> with low response time

> Then a few weeks ago the opp presented itself to try a Samtron 17" LCD
> monitor on my main *** rig and I've now come to the conclusion that
> some reviewers are full of crap, even that cheap ass Samtron monitor was
> just fine for racing games and I'll be replacing my 19" CRT with a 19"
> LCD when I can afford it

I was saying the same thing right here months ago.

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by **tige** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:15:36

Thank you all for the comments.
I'm now targeting Samsung 172 series. I kept hearing Samsung ones are
good but Tom's Hardware Guide rates the latest model badly on game
playing, which confused me a bit. Any of you own those Samsung LCDs?

> My monitor is going to die and I'm thinking of those 17" LCD. Seems the
> latest models are promising on specs but I'm concerning the refresh rate
> not enough for car sims. Any recommendations?

> Thanks..

by **Gerry Aitken** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:11:34

>>My monitor is going to die and I'm thinking of those 17" LCD. Seems the
>>latest models are promising on specs but I'm concerning the refresh rate
>>not enough for car sims. Any recommendations?

> It seems most members of this group aren't very discerning when it comes to
> motion. LCDs are adequate but I find them far more suited to office
> applications than 3D games - yes, even the very latest and greatest LCDs.
> I'm very fussy about these things though so you should probably ignore me
> and get one anyway. =)

I'll repost what I told you a few months ago:

'As I stated, 50ms IS fast enough for ***! I own an 50ms LCD and have
tested it with many games. It works perfectly well. It is NOT restricted
to 20 fps, as you incorrectly stated.'

'You DON'T own one, you DON'T understand the underlying technology, so I
don't think you are in any position to tell me that my LCD isn't good
enough.'

'Not that I give a flying fark what you think anyway! :)'

Print that out and shove it up your arse!

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6, verse 16

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by **Mitch_** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:30:25

Same logic applies to CRT's. You more or less get what you pay for. A
correctly configured CRT won't cause eyestrain. Yea a 14" interlaced VGA
running 56hz will have you seeing all sorts of anomalies after a couple

12-15 hr day 7-10 days in a row.

Bottom line. I cant get an LCD of the same size/price as a CRT so none of
your other arguments hold any water for me. When the markets meet this
demand (as I expect in another yr or so) then I'll go LCD. Till then Im
more than happy with my 22" CRT Monster :)

Mitch

by **Tim** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:08:38

Weeeeellllllllll, I Have tried them, and they suck compared to my monitor. So
there. Next you'll me telling me you race on a laptop?
:))

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Tim White

by **Top-poste** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:54:38

You need to check out a panel with a black-white-black response of sub-25ms,
not just black to white or white to black response.
The fact is that I have 20/20 vision and am extremely discerning, visually
speaking - and my Iiyama has NO ghosting whatsoever.
Your story is made up.

I'm glad they suit your

by **Top-poste** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:55:06

Shut up, you dumb phuck - you're full of shi'ite.

by **Top-poste** » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:57:30

Gerry, your comments with regard to Damien look-what-a-***er-I-am Smith are
spot on.
The guy is so full of shi'ite, it's unreal.

>>My monitor is going to die and I'm thinking of those 17" LCD. Seems the
>>latest models are promising on specs but I'm concerning the refresh rate
>>not enough for car sims. Any recommendations?

> It seems most members of this group aren't very discerning when it comes
to
> motion. LCDs are adequate but I find them far more suited to office
> applications than 3D games - yes, even the very latest and greatest LCDs.
> I'm very fussy about these things though so you should probably ignore me
> and get one anyway. =)

I'll repost what I told you a few months ago:

'As I stated, 50ms IS fast enough for ***! I own an 50ms LCD and have
tested it with many games. It works perfectly well. It is NOT restricted
to 20 fps, as you incorrectly stated.'

'You DON'T own one, you DON'T understand the underlying technology, so I
don't think you are in any position to tell me that my LCD isn't good
enough.'

'Not that I give a flying fark what you think anyway! :)'

Print that out and shove it up your arse!

--

Gerry Aitken?

...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter
6, verse 16

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