Get counsel and see (it would be libel, anyway).
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"You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your
computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road
course is than an oval."
-Allan Pagan
> *** ABSOLUTE BEST ***
> Driving Simulation Wheel and Pedal combination avaiable on the
> market. Though cost is certainly some consideration, I am willing to
> spend quita bit to get the *** VERY BEST *** !!!
> Please post your thoughts, opinions, ideas, reviews, etc. on what each
> of you feels is the ultimate setup.
The force feedback is not bad...kind of a nice touch.
Brian, do you *follow* Allan around merely to harrass him? I sure don't
recall you making any great contributions here in RAS in the past, yet pop
up the instant Allan asks a question.
--
Ken's Sig 3.01
"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" -
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Go #43 and #44!
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> > I'm looking for your opinions and ideas regarding what is the
> > *** ABSOLUTE BEST ***
> > Driving Simulation Wheel and Pedal combination avaiable on the
> > market. Though cost is certainly some consideration, I am willing to
> > spend quita bit to get the *** VERY BEST *** !!!
> Damn, Allan, for a guy who spends a lot of time absolutely dogging racing
> sims and insulting the people who enjoy them, it's rather funny to see you
> here.
> Not surprising you're looking for the best, though; you are a millionaire
> at least once over, correct?
> Is this controller perchance to be used in training a new driver, in the
> manner that Montoya, Gordon, Villeneuve, and others, learn the courses?
> > Please post your thoughts, opinions, ideas, reviews, etc. on what each
> > of you feels is the ultimate setup.
> From what you tell us, it's an IRL car. Really don't know why you're
> looking to do the sim thing like us lowly and stupid race fans.
> > All posted replys and reviews are greatly appreciated.
> It's "replies," Allan, and I'll be you won't appreciate this one.
> --
> You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your
> computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road
> course is than an oval.
> -Allan Pagan
-- JB
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Before you buy.
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"Racing simulation games are *** NOT *** the real thing. Street courses
may be fun on a simulator, but even some of the very best drivers I have
ever met will tell you three very interesting things (and Micheal Andretti
happens to be one of these ...);
One, none of these drivers ever run a street course at the absolute
10/10ths they will on an open road course or on an oval, primarily because
it is so easy to damage the car. Along with this goes their feeling that
they must be a bit more conservative because running off and losing
multiple places is so much hardr to recover from because of the lack of
passing areas.
Two, street courses are among the hardest on equipment, so they are forced
to be somewhat more conservative in order to save the car. Surface
transitions, manhole covers, bumps in odd spots all cause considerable
grief to transmissions, clutches, half shafts, CV joints, etc., and
suspension components often take a beating as well.
Three,due to the nearly ever present proximity to other cars, at
relatively low speed for these cars (which means they are sliding around
more since none of the aerodynamic surfaces of the car are really
contributing that much to the handling of the car in slow corners, of
which there are many on street courses, but yet the teams have to optimize
the aero package to work well on the fast corners where it does have some
very beneficial effects. This usually leads to a car having a rather
healthy understeer on slow corners) they tend to be once again,
conservative, simply to avoid contact.
Point being; for the most part, drivers are not actually showing you their
best work when you see one driving a street course, and by and large, you
are seeing the most defensive driving they will do during the course of
the season, not hteir most agressive as some think."
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O.K., Allan. Your hair to split. You just made the case that street
courses are harder than ovals and road courses. Given, then, that an oval
is harder than a road course, your hierarchy of difficulty is:
1. Street course
2. Oval
3. Road course
Is this correct?
How did you know I was thinking about getting another?
>O.K., Allan. Your hair to split. You just made the case that street
>courses are harder than ovals and road courses. Given, then, that an oval
>is harder than a road course, your hierarchy of difficulty is:
Sreet courses are a bit of a joke (just ask the drivers ... I have).
There are no places to pass for the most part. Some of the corners are
so ridiculously tight that the cars sometimes arly don't have the
necessary turning radius and lock necessary to make the corner if
there is more than one car in it. It is all too easy to damage the
car, therefore putting yourself out of contention, that the drivers
never drive them with theintensity they do on "real" road circuits and
ovals. Though they are easy to crash on, they aren't the least bit
intimidating, from a driver's viewpoint (i.e. you are much less likely
to go to the hospital from a street course dust-up ...), etc., etc.,
etc. ...
Nope. Let me spell it out for you ...
(and don't forget, I gather my information by talking to the
*** ACTUAL *** drivers, unlike you simply conjuring things
out of thin air, and obviously the air is very thin between
your ears ...)
Most Difficult: Ovals, the faster and flatter they
are, the tougher they become ...
Next: Real Road Courses
Least: Street Circuits
Is that plain enough for you ???
I meant your first "real" one. The current degree you have (Underwater
Basket-Weaving, isn't it ???), if it even exists, obviously didn't
teach you much ...
So ... The question is still out there ... And you're still
dodging it, aren't you ???
Though you want us all to think so, you're not a lawyer, are you ???
Allan
See above.
I don't know enough to contribute here. I do occasionally send an e-mail
to a person looking for help, but I mostly harvest the good info posted
here.
It just really struck me as supremely hypocritical to see the same guy who
said the below words coming to ras for aid and comfort.
"Once agin you have simply proven you're a spineless,
legend-in-your-own-mind, gutless wonder who prefers to hide away in the
dark behind your CRT, preferring to "play" with yourself and your little
driving simulators"
It's real obvious that Pagan sneers at sims, yet he's now a big fan of them?
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"You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your
computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road
course is than an oval."
-Allan Pagan
>> Please don't bring the IRL / CART, RASI vs. RASC ***into RAS.
>Why not? Pagan publicly mocks this group and regularly insults sims. I
>find it odd that he's at the same place he insults.
>> Brian, do you *follow* Allan around merely to harrass him? I sure don't
>> recall you making any great contributions here in RAS in the past, yet
pop
>> up the instant Allan asks a question.
>See above.
>I don't know enough to contribute here. I do occasionally send an e-mail
>to a person looking for help, but I mostly harvest the good info posted
>here.
>It just really struck me as supremely hypocritical to see the same guy who
>said the below words coming to ras for aid and comfort.
>"Once agin you have simply proven you're a spineless,
>legend-in-your-own-mind, gutless wonder who prefers to hide away in the
>dark behind your CRT, preferring to "play" with yourself and your little
>driving simulators"
>It's real obvious that Pagan sneers at sims, yet he's now a big fan of
He is looking at them as part of a business decision.
Brian, would you please let it go? Breathe deep....now, exhale. In.....and
out...there.....Now let's get back to discussing simulators!!!
Anyone have Sportscar GT that would like to get together for some online
racing? I just got it 2 weeks ago, and feel ready to take on some "flesh an
***" opponents.
Ian
>Why not? Pagan publicly mocks this group and regularly insults sims. I
>find it odd that he's at the same place he insults.
I will freely admit to insulting you, however, just as the paragraph
below you quote illustrates quite clearly. After this most interesting
episode demonstrating your rather obsessive tendencies, perhpas the
folks here understand why someone would want to insult you ...
Yes, he does ...
This is perhaps the most interesting thing I have ever seen you
post ...
You know far more about racing sims than "real" racing, yet you state
here you don't know enough about sims to contribute here. Over on
ras-indy and ras-cart, however, you are the self-professed eert as to
all things racing, posting messages on subjects ranging from running
an entire series, what tracks are most dangerous, safety improvements,
driver-team interaction, what kind of track is most difficult to
drive, etc., etc., etc. ...
Explain that all to us again ... who's a hypocrite ???
I'll completely stand behind that statement, 100%, but the really sad
thing here, Brain, is that everybody here can see that statement in no
way sneered at sims, but at you and your unbelievable devotion to
them; a devotion so complete and unrealistic that you actually would
rather believe, from you experience with sims, and based solely on
that experience, that an oval is the easier race track to drive at the
limit, when any actual driver will tell you the exact opposite.
Its your mindless devotion to your computer and all things connected
with it that makes you feel you are an authority on all subjects,
where its obvious even to the people here that the "real" thing is far
different than a simulation.
Just look at your mindless obsession with me ...
Allan
> Allan
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"You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your
computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road
course is than an oval."
-Allan Pagan
>>Why not? Pagan publicly mocks this group and regularly insults sims. I
>>find it odd that he's at the same place he insults.
>Never once have I publicly mocked this group, nor have I insulted
>sims. Never.
>I will freely admit to insulting you, however, just as the paragraph
>below you quote illustrates quite clearly. After this most interesting
>episode demonstrating your rather obsessive tendencies, perhpas the
>folks here understand why someone would want to insult you ...
Just killfile each other and get it over with.
--
Alan
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"I think my best co-driver was Jochen Berger. Jochen was not afraid of me..."
- Walter R?hrl
