rec.autos.simulators

>Art
>Stealth Racing
>http://www.***sys.com/stealthracing.html

>>> What's wrong with a sim having different lap times than in real life.
>Real
>>> life you have weather limitations, you have mechanical limitations, its
>not
>>> like a sim, which will have most likely one surface grip for all
asphalt.

>>Wasn't that way with any of the Papy sims.  You have different hard
>surfaces.
>>Also they had weather in ICR2.  I really don't know what you mean by
>Mechanical
>>limitations, the cars are what should be modeled first and foremost, and
>any
>>limitations or  weaknesses with certain parts should be in the sim.

>>> Also a sim has a physics model.  It cant completely be perfect to real
>life,

>>Ahhhhhhh, now I'm hearing what I wanted to hear....improvement is still
>needed
>>and nothing is perfect yet, that's all I was looking for.  :-)
>>Ppl will bash anybody in there forst attempt for some reason, but praise
>GPL;
>>let's throw Indy 500 against SCGT and see which one is better.  All these
>posts
>>that are anti-SCGT are probably because they were expecting too much for
>the
>>long wait, but I'm sure with CONSTRUCTIVE comments ISI can get therenext
>driving
>>model better.  Not people railing it saying "It Sucks"...I'm sure ISI is
>looking
>>for feedback, not some people's stupidity.

>>> its like wondering why you can hit a homerun in a baseball game when in
>real
>>> life you cant.  If you want a real life sim then expect to have to spend
>2-5
>>> years getting fast.  Will anyone want to play that game?

>>Yes, many have invested the amount of laps that a normal racer would in
2-5
>>years in GPL...and apparently some liked it.

>>> NO, they want a
>>> game they can go fast and if the physics are a little off of the speed
of
>>> real life, who cares, its not like you are simultaneously racing with a
>guy
>>> in real life, I really don't mind that I can "beat" Hill's fastest time
>at
>>> Monza, I mean, what does it show and why would I care?  You say for
>realism
>>> sake, well read above about the 2-5 years.  I guess this is all of my
>anger
>>> about people wanting exactly the same lap times as real life over the
>past
>>> few years being released right now so don't take it personal, it is all
>just
>>> a post showing what I think which 1 out of 100 (me) will think the same.

>>I can understand being 1-2 secs off, but 20% the laptime is just WRONG!!!

>>> Jesse

>>> |Lt me first say, I do not like the lap times.  Over a 50 second circuit
>in
>>> GT1
>>> |style cars I am doing about 41 sec in the game.  I know some people
will
>>> say
>>> |it's because in a sim I am able to go balls to the wall, had this
>arguement
>>> |with John Wallace a few months ago about GPL, but 9secs is WAY too much
>for
>>> |such a short track.  Racing is all about tenths, if that arguement
about
>no
>>> |fear held true I could give someone a GT3 (I am faster than real GT1's
>in
>>> the
>>> |sim's GT3s) and be on pole ahead of all the GT1's.  In F1 I could be in
>a
>>> |Minardi and outqualify the McLaren's every race...etc...etc...etc....
>>> |Something is definitely wrong with sims like this and even some aspects
>of
>>> |GPL.

>>--

>>Jon   Van Ginneken

>>"I try to do my best every day. If, at the end of the day
>>I know I did the best job I could do, I am satisfied."

>>                                  --Alex Zanardi

>>"Something is definitely wrong with sims like this and even some aspects of
>>GPL"

>>Go play flight sims

>Constructive response.

>Cheers!
>John

>Just an add on about my thoughts about all the handling issues.

>Jesse

>|On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:13:17 -0500,


>|

>|>>>elaborate please. <g>
>|>>>
>|>>drive it please <g>
>|>
>|>Yeah, I was able to drive it since more than 24hours.
>|>
>|>Can you please elaborate a second time ? <g>
>|>
>|
>|I will comment on it relative to Viper since that is the one
>|I have raced (a lot) more recently. In Viper, the true sensations
>|of push and looseness are present and very accurate feeling.
>|
>|With a FF wheel, it feels more like a racecar than anything I have
>|raced on the PC. I raced SCCA and other stuff for a good while.
>|I had a Lotus Eleven LeMans, raced FF, FV, FC, CSR, etc.. To me,
>|Viper is the closest visceral sensation of true racing I have
>|experienced on PC. If GPL had some feedback, I would like it more
>|than Viper. As it is, I don't.
>|
>|Is Viper the ultimate sim of all time? I hope not. Things will progress
>|and improve. BUT, Nascar 3 may be the end-all for a long time to come.. :)
>|
>|In SCGT, there seems to be an uncoupling of the steering wheel
>|to the tires... :). I get the 'I am driving a shopping cart' feeling
>|from it. I get no sensation of push/looseness until it is far too
>|late (if I get it at all). I tried it with my T2 and with my Force RS.
>|On the Force RS I tried it with force and without. I preferred
>|about 50% force with the Force RS, but even though it helped it,
>|the feeling of driving a CAR with push/looseness coming and going
>|was just not very accurate, IMO. BTW, I am very familiar with the
>|unforgiving nature of the types  of very wide slicks that are used
>|on the cars modeled in SCGT. I raced some outlaw stocks that had
>|~16-18" slicks. They tend to grip *very* hard and then break away all
>|at once, without much warning. That is not the phoenomenon I am
>|describing in SCGT.
>|
>|DEADNESS between my senses and the sim. Thats what I mean.
>|
>|In Viper, every nuance of the handling is translated very well to
>|the driver, either with or without FF. Of course, FF is unbelievably
>|good with it.
>|
>|That is my 2 cents. In SCGT, I get an uncoupled feeling from the
>|car and whats happening. To simulate the driving of a racecar,
>|I need more feedback than that, and a SIMULATOR will provide it.
>|
>|BTW, I will certainly buy SCGT when it is released. I have a bunch of
>|miles on Road Atlanta and I am anxious to relive some of the fun
>|I had there, even if they did***it up with the chicane on the long
>|straight!.
>|
>|Now your comments.....
>|
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