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Shock! Forza - another console SIM

Schoone

Shock! Forza - another console SIM

by Schoone » Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:06:15

New Logitech Xbox wheel is on its way anytime now.


> True - any Xbox driving sim is bound to fall short 'cuz of the controller
> issues.  There is no decent wheel for the Xbox...is there?  The PS2 rules
> AFAIC 'cuz you can use almost any PC/USB wheel...at least w. GT3
> and--soon--GT4.



>> I'm sorry, but how much attention to "realizm" is there necessary to
> produce


>> >> That's what they all--including me--said abt. CART Precision Racing.

>> > hehe...true

Steve Simpso

Shock! Forza - another console SIM

by Steve Simpso » Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:36:54

Agreed but the stock Xbox controller is far superior to the stock PS2
controller for precision braking/throttle in racing games.  It should be -
they pretty much stole the idea from Sega with their Dreamcast controller
which was designed with racing games like F355 Challenge in mind.  Actually,
so did Nintendo with the Gamecube controller.

Dav

Shock! Forza - another console SIM

by Dav » Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:39:07


>Agreed but the stock Xbox controller is far superior to the stock PS2
>controller for precision braking/throttle in racing games.

Do you mean that it has shoulder triggers vs a single stick for
throttle/brake?  Or does it actually have a greater number of bits
for increased resolution?  Seems like steering in PGR2 still has
relatively too few levels of output.  My steering there tends to
be closer to PWM than analog.  Still, it works.
ymenar

Shock! Forza - another console SIM

by ymenar » Sun, 05 Sep 2004 01:30:57


>I tend to agree with David. The fact that two decent SIMs are out on
>platforms marks the start of a paradigm shift in the market for higher end
>products aimed at enthusiast ***s as well as kids.

Two...decent... sims!  omg stop the press everybody.  I'm sorry but it'll be
DECADES until we see not a shift, but a blend of both market.  Look at every
high-end product for non-mainstream games, look at the niche markets, etc...

There's a reason Microsoft doesn't have FS2004 for their X-Box.  Or that
there's no Falcon 3 neither <G>  "Mommy, why does it take 15 minutes of
pressing buttons before I take off ".

That one, and lotsa other DGF-inducted threads tehehe.

It's not the PC that will become consoles, it's the consoles who will become
PC's.

High end video cards are not only for ***.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Steve Smit

Shock! Forza - another console SIM

by Steve Smit » Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:45:32

Disagree.  MS's initiatives will mean it'll be easier to develop sims
simultaneously for the Xbox and PCs, so Sony will have to follow suit.  The
demographics of consoles are trending upward into PC territory.  Console and
PC "entertainment" s/w sales are abt. equal (50 mil/yr.), but developers
spend roughly 10 as much on consoles.  PCs will become a niche market,
consoles will co-opt PC games, and brainless console games (e.g., side
scrollers) will migrate to cell phones.  In fact, it's already happening.



> >I tend to agree with David. The fact that two decent SIMs are out on
> >platforms marks the start of a paradigm shift in the market for higher
end
> >products aimed at enthusiast ***s as well as kids.

> Two...decent... sims!  omg stop the press everybody.  I'm sorry but it'll
be
> DECADES until we see not a shift, but a blend of both market.  Look at
every
> high-end product for non-mainstream games, look at the niche markets,
etc...

> There's a reason Microsoft doesn't have FS2004 for their X-Box.  Or that
> there's no Falcon 3 neither <G>  "Mommy, why does it take 15 minutes of
> pressing buttons before I take off ".

> > This is a good thread to mark in your diary for review in a couple of
> > years to see which way things went.

> That one, and lotsa other DGF-inducted threads tehehe.

> It's not the PC that will become consoles, it's the consoles who will
become
> PC's.

> > 3. High end video cards are now costing much more than a complete
console
> > system, and more that complete low end PC systems.

> High end video cards are not only for ***.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...


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