rec.autos.simulators

silverstone:  small chicane at woodcote.  some
        other corners (becketts, club) may have been made less tight.  
        the walls at copse and stowe have gone.

spa:  'twas the new track, alas.

the 'ring:  the two straights along the pits have gone.  it was
   a simple short  straight, followed by a right, which lead into T1L.

   the bump in the left of the track a few k's after the karossel
   was gone.    the karossel seemed to have a curb, where the lower
   part of the banked bit met the level track.

   the long straight towards the end was totally flat. :-(

   a lot less trees!  and consequently, stunning views.

kyalami:  looked absolutely identical.  

me, i'm still waiting to do an event free lap of the 'ring,
but it'll come, i can feel it.  :-)

martin.
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I have "In Car 956" also, and really enjoy it. One of the things I found
amazing was how Derek Bell was able to narrate so well as he drove! I
believe at Nurburgring the narration was dubbed in afterwards, but I think
not at the other tracks.

As much as I enjoy "956", I enjoy the old Jim Garner movie "Grand Prix" even
more. As you may know this movie was shot in 1966 and the race footage is
fabulous. The footage from Monaco will make you amazed with how accurately
GPL depicts the course in that era, even down to levels of detail such as
where the sidewalks surrounding the course begin. And I'd swear I recognized
some of the buildings lining the course at Spa in the movie.
www.blockbuster.com has it for something like US$21.95, as I recall.

Blockbuster and Amazon both also have a handful of other F1-related videos
available for something like US$8.95. Many of these are a few years old, but
if you like F1, they're a steal and immensely entertaining.

Trips

Hadn't Stewart been out of racing for 5+ years at that point?

As for talking and driving... I can do it, to a point. If I know the
circuit well, no problem. But if it's a place I'm struggling, forget it!
Crash city!

_Dave

Dave Ewing

Remember, when the kids show up, start looking for escape roads!

Did you dive for the road on the far side of the trees? I've managed to make
it there once or twice. Otherwise, that's truly one of the least pleasant
places in all of GPL to go off!

Please tell me where can I get the 'in car 956'
( I live in Norway )

Thanks

Ain't that the truth.  It's moments like that that make you realize just
how dangerous these old circuits were!

Dave Ewing

Here's where I got it:

http://www.motorsportcollector.com/

It's US$39.95 there.

I won't soon forget the first time I hit one of those virtual trees at 150+
mph. I had a flashback to a time many years ago...

It was exactly one month after I had gotten my driver's license. It seems
that I had taken my mother's station wagon on a jaunt down a tree-lined
sparsely-populated road the night before in the rain. On this one particular
turn, I had unwittingly produced a four-wheel drift and had managed to keep
the car in check.

So the following night, now thinking that I was fully qualified to race the
circuits I had seen in "Grand Prix" just a few years before, I piled three
of my buddies in my mom's wagon and headed for that same corner. I was ready
to recreate the "great moment in racing history" that I had experienced. The
conditions were right: Light rain, just as the night before.

Well, let me put it this way:

I learned the meaning of the term "understeer" that night.
The four of us had a long walk back to civilization in the rain.
My mom never sat behind the wheel of her station wagon again.

Hehehe... Reminds me when I first tried Rouen back with the beta 0.2

I actually went on that other road... I was like "argh where am I going
!!!!!!" at 120mph.  Heads or tail... I took the wrong road ;-)

Actually, it's fun now to try to make a lap using that road.  It's almost
impossible to go flat out like the normal turn because the angle of the
curve tightens at the end.

The same goes for the Watglen "chicane" at the end of the backstretch, but
it DQ's you IIRC

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Yes... I admit it too. My wife will do the same thing... not the "crash"
chant, but other ways of annoying me. I can usually keep it together for
about 3 or 4 corners, then I drop a wheel off... WHAMMO! Flames
everywhere.

Do you watch CART races? Bryan Herta's crew chief is always ALWAYS
talking on the radio... "come, go faster. don't take that ***from him.
you gotta show him who's boss." Stuff like that. I couldn't believe it
the first time I heard it. Now wonder he crashed out of the lead so many
times! I can't handle it in GPL, so there's NO WAY I could handle it in
a real car.

-Dave Schwabe